Ambrosia Software Web Board: The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil - Ambrosia Software Web Board

Selax, on Dec 10 2007, 09:34 PM, said:

Wah-wah, kill joy!

No no, I see what you mean. I think everlasting life is my favorite so far but cider has many ways of working it self in...
What ever ends up being done, the ink has not yet set in.


Edit: Yay! Start of page #8! Visnipy holidays everyone!

This post has been edited by Two Jacks: 11 December 2007 - 01:46 AM

Everlasting life is a nice idea, but in the game, you can still die after you've eaten a life-apple. I don't like how we'd be completely ignoring the actual game in this case. But I suppose we'd be assuming that gandreas was intending for the life-apples to give everlasting life, but didn't get around to that before he decided to leave 'em out of the game.

I have a question. Back to the original Tree of Life, did Adam & Eve ever eat from it? I am wondering whether they were kicked out of the garden because they never got around to eating from it, or so that they'd stop eating from it. Rather, I am wondering if one piece of fruit would cause eternal life, or if they'd need to continually eat from it.

I prefer cider, myself.

BreadWorldMercy453, on Dec 11 2007, 09:13 AM, said:

Adam and Eve were created to live forever. If no one had ever screwed up, we'd all be living forever. Death was our curse.
As far as I know Adam and Eve's sin was eating from the tree of knowledge which God specifically told them NOT to eat from. There was a tree of life. I'm not certain (I can check this out later) but I'm guessing that that tree may have had something to do with their eternal life...all I know is, when they lived in the garden with the tree, they were going to live forever. They started dying the minute they stepped out.*shrug* but anyway they did eat from the other tree. Satan disguised himself as a serpent and told Eve to eat from it because it would make her as smart and powerful as God. So of course she ate it then gave it to Adam and told him to eat it. He refused for a bit but finally he gave in and ate some. Suddenly they both became very aware of the fact that they were totally naked. They were ashamed and made some clothes out of leaves. God came looking for them and they hid but then finally they came out because they knew that God knows everything and knew where they were the whole time and what they did. Of course, Adam tried to blame it all on Eve first, he pulled a "she made me do it" but it didn't help him much. God took a lamb and killed it to make better clothes to cover them (this is sort of a symbolism for Christ's death for our sins). But then he cursed them and kicked them out of the garden. From that time on they aged and eventually died. Of course in Bible times people lived really long...I think Adam lived to be like 700 or some years old. Most of those people lived over 300 years.


So as far as your question goes:

Adam & Eve were not punished fro eating from the tree of life

Was the tree of life what was providing them with eternal life? I don't know...but I would think it had something to do with it


You can find this story in Genesis

I only told from memory so if you want the whole, detailed story, there it is

Kind of dumb to tell someone not to eat from the tree of knowledge.

So this would make the tree unholy, and eating an apple would be an act against god... To eat an apple would grant knowledge but mark your soul as unholy... This would be the reason that the civilization that built the unerground palace for the tree didn't eat the apples in the first place, but kept the tree around as a reminder of our past? Untill someone *cough*lindus*cough* ate an apple and learned magic! (that may be stretching it...) What ever the apple does it looks like it should have some bad side-affect.


The actual tree was a fig tree but for Cythera purposes lets say it's an apple tree.

Two Jacks, on Dec 12 2007, 01:08 AM, said:

Biblically, I don't think it was ever established what type of tree it was at all. The whole 'apple' bit is a popular-culture assumption. In all likelihood, the biblical tree was different than anything we're familiar with. Well, if you believe such things, anyway. I do, but some people don't so I'll play it safe.

But, yes, for our purposes, the Tree of Life is a sort of divine apple tree, of sorts, as that is how it is portrayed in Cythera.

Anyway, can we all agree on what the apples do so we can continue the TS?

Wizard wanted me to ask everyone here if it would be okay for him to finish the TS when he posts. Opinions?

Selax, on Dec 12 2007, 08:29 PM, said:

He can finish up the action all he wants, in my opinion. I'd just leave the epilogue to be a group effort (i.e. don't go farther than returning us to the outskirts of Cademia).

Actually, I'd like to post while the party's at the tree, explaining what the apples do. How about Wizard starts the action with Alterius, then I post, then we continue from there?

While we're at it, have we decided what they do do?

Well, if it's going to be interesting I want a peice, but if it's done very well I'd say go for it. I agree with Vistitor though, leave the epilouge open, and may I add that this is a team storie, everyone has their part. Wizard's part thus far has been ring leader mostly, it's somewhat fitting that he finish it. He was also one of the people that helped the actual discovery of the tree so I would say it's mostly his decision on what the apples do, that's not saying that he wants to make everypne mad, most defanitly the opposite. If anyone really has a problem they could discuss a solution here or simply do a flashback post and edit in some details they wanted.

I don't doubt Wizard's writting abillities, I'm sure what ever happens, will happen good. I also give full permission of my character to Wizard (and everyone) as long as he stays in character. The only main contribution I can add now would be in the epilouge anyhow.

*yawn* Hmm, anything else? Don't think so... Oh yay, my last final is tomorrow. *dies*

~vIsitor~, on Dec 11 2007, 08:40 PM, said:

yep yep

the kind of fruit that tree bore doesn't exist anymore according to the belief
I'm guessing that tree was the only one and no one was allowed back into the garden that had it anymore...so..ya

and in any case, that was the tree of knowledge

we're dealing with the tree of life, which was also actually there, it's just not the one we got in trouble for eating of course as you all are very well aware of by now

I don't think the Biblical one bore apples, but as you said, we're dealing with the Cythera version




P.S.

I'm fine with Wizard finishing it off too btw

This post has been edited by TheMuseInYourHead: 13 December 2007 - 12:17 AM

Well, Two Jacks is quite correct; I have no intentions of upsetting anybody or of making someone feel cheated out of a part of the story.

Let me elaborate on what Selax was asking. I have been thinking about what I should post with Altérius for several days now, and, quite frankly, I am at a loss as to what to do. I feel that there is no possible way to incorporate another group fight, being that there is only one villain remaining. So, I need to start and finish the fight with Altérius anyway. After that is where I can't decide what to do. I was going to have Altérius possibly eat some fruit and, not being worthy or something like that, it would actually kill him instead of give him life. I have considered a number of ways to tie the Altérius plot, but I can't quite figure out what to do.

One of the main problems is that we haven't yet decided what the Tree should do. Besides that, the Guardian could be a potential problem because I'm not sure if he's the kind of guy who just stands around and watches a bunch of people fight each other over his Tree. . .

That leads me to the reason why I was thinking it would be best for me to finish up the ending with the Tree here. (I was going to write a post up until right after they leave the cave maze on their way out after the Tree and Altérius and all that, so it would be open to other posts at that point.) I already knew that the Altériuis plot should be mostly dealt with by the end of my post, that means that all the remaining would be deciding what to do with the Tree. I was a little concerned that ending a post there would lead to several small, possibly conflicting posts right at the end since it is such a small opening.

However, I think I may have come up with another option. Perhaps I could write two relatively small posts. The first would deal with the Altérius fight, and they would knock him unconscious or incapacitate him in some way. I could end my post there with the group approaching the Tree, talking with the Guardian, and Altérius watching. Then, anyone else can post if they'd like, revealing the power of the fruit or having a longer dialogue with the Guardian. Once that is completed, and everyone is satisfied, I could make another post, putting in my wrap-up post with Altérius. As a side note, I suppose that this wrap-up post wouldn't be necessary, but I wanted to bring more closure to my Altérius storyline rather than having him reach the Tree and suddenly get killed by the group.

So, is that okay? Can I put up a fight scene post in the next day or two, and then leave it open for everyone to decide/post on the Tree's powers? And then after that, one more small post and the story ought to be complete! Doing two small posts would actually be much easier for me than writing one huge one, so I'd prefer it this way.

Sounds good.

I like it, go for it.

Take your time.

Remember to save a decent block of time for this Saturday night :P

But yeah, two small posts sounds good, if you even -can- write small posts ^_~

Contrary to popular belief, I'm not dead.
Just plotting my next move...

Yes, I posted, but I don't think it should interfere with Wizard's plans, since I focused on character interaction rather than advancing the plot.

Anyway, if i did something terrible, &c....

Hmm, I have to express some concern.

Wizard will certainly be able to post by the end of the week (his school finishes), but can the TS wait that long conveniently?

If everyone is all right with waiting a little, I am as well.

I can wait, since I just started working on me Ferazel Level Set again, since finals are over for me, since time passed and energy was put into working, since.. I have... a will to live....?

Just seven days right? No big deal, however in the mean time if you wanted Selax you could take care of that Guardian. Oh wait is he involved in the greater plot somehow? I thought I saw Wizard mention something about that... We can also go along with Jehezekel's idea and put in some character development before the epilouge.

If I get involved in the pre-wiz-post I'll post.

I've been pre-occupied enough that I probably won't mind waiting, but I'm hoping that there is a good chance that I won't be in a position to check the boards daily pretty soon.
If that happens, feel extra-free to use Silver for your own purposes, just try to keep him in character ^_~, [a link to] his Bio is listed in my signature, & my avatar is of Silver with wings, which is a common look for him.

This post has been edited by Jehezekel: 16 December 2007 - 07:50 AM

Selax, on Dec 15 2007, 07:52 PM, said:

I think I can live with that...

Avatara, on Dec 16 2007, 01:25 PM, said:

Wow, I wasn't even aware that you were involved in this TS. Your posts must've been so good that they blinded me when I saw them.

Added one small post. It really doesn't say much, other than that Bly's nervous.