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#26 User is offline   Sundered Angel 

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Posted 23 July 2004 - 07:38 AM

Anyone who believes that Kerry is in any way "liberal" obviously has no idea of the political spectrum covered by stable democracies.

Anyway, I am afraid that no matter how much sympathy I may have for those who believe in small government, there is absolutely no way that said fondness could justify voting for Bush. The social costs (war on abortion, gay marriage - any progression in social freedom), environmental toll (the number of environmental laws he's subverted is criminal), and global politics (Nobody is hated in the world like Bush. Nobody. He's turned the world against America) all make any minor economic gains he may have managed to achieve completely meaningless.

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Posted 23 July 2004 - 09:06 AM

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Originally posted by Sundered Angel:
...small government, there is absolutely no way that said fondness could justify voting for Bush.


Dubya doesn't even seem to want small government... if he did, why would he make so many new laws to limit people's freedom?

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Posted 23 July 2004 - 01:14 PM

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Originally posted by Sundered Angel:
Anyone who believes that Kerry is in any way "liberal" obviously has no idea of the political spectrum covered by stable democracies.

Anyway, I am afraid that no matter how much sympathy I may have for those who believe in small government, there is absolutely no way that said fondness could justify voting for Bush. The social costs (war on abortion, gay marriage - any progression in social freedom), environmental toll (the number of environmental laws he's subverted is criminal), and global politics (Nobody is hated in the world like Bush. Nobody. He's turned the world against America) all make any minor economic gains he may have managed to achieve completely meaningless.



May I quote that as evidence to show my friends that Bush made the world hate America, seeing as you are part of that world?

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Posted 23 July 2004 - 01:32 PM

You just did. Posted Image

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Posted 23 July 2004 - 01:42 PM

I think he meant somewhere else

Also: [url="http://"http://www.jibjab.com"]www.jibjab.com[/url]

just found that last nigh.

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Posted 23 July 2004 - 01:47 PM

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I think he meant somewhere else

Also: www.jibjab.com

just found that last nigh.



I found that too, on the BnB Posted Image

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Posted 23 July 2004 - 02:39 PM

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I don't go there much. Sue me.

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Posted 23 July 2004 - 02:47 PM

Politics... a thing to avoid if at all possible.

I say we all vote for the Shrout party.

"Well, we figured we'd just be straight out with you - other politicians might try to hide it or keep it from the public. Our policy is this: NUKE THE PLANET."

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Posted 23 July 2004 - 03:16 PM

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Politics... a thing to avoid if at all possible.

I say we all vote for the Shrout party.

"Well, we figured we'd just be straight out with you - other politicians might try to hide it or keep it from the public. Our policy is this: NUKE THE PLANET."

And if you vote for me I'll give you all free stuffed alligators.




You have my vote!! (doesn't count for much seeing as I can't vote)

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Posted 23 July 2004 - 03:26 PM

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I always find it quite touching how you guys get along so well.



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Posted 23 July 2004 - 04:48 PM

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And if you vote for me I'll give you all free stuffed alligators.


Have you read "Tourist Season"?

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Posted 23 July 2004 - 04:56 PM

Why do they call it Tourist Season if we can't shoot at them?

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Posted 23 July 2004 - 05:06 PM

har. I grew up in the one of the main tourism stops of California (heck, the country), and I hate tourists, which was horrible this past year because my parents made me be a tourist because they were always travelling to some "cute" town somewhere.

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Posted 25 July 2004 - 01:12 AM

Where was that?

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Posted 25 July 2004 - 11:46 PM

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Originally posted by Divals the Conqueror:
Liberals want people besides themselves to have rights. Conservatives don't.

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We don't and liberals do? What a load of horse****. I'll believe it when you tell your masters and minions to drop the war on Christians and Republicans, quit trying to get God out of schools and society, stop snipping on our rights and spying on our churches, and immedietly disband the orginization known as "The Imperium," the name of which is illegal use of a Catholic trademark, and the existence of which is a blasphemy in God's sight. THEN I'll believe you, not before.

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Posted 25 July 2004 - 11:54 PM

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Where was that?



Calistoga, California is the largest and most productive geothermal zone in the world. It can power San Francisco, from what I've heard.

Edit: oh, and 1700th post.

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Posted 26 July 2004 - 12:00 AM

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The ability to slap you was granted to Sundered Angel by the webboard administration, not by you. He'll issue discipline as he sees fit, and does not require your permission.

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Posted 26 July 2004 - 12:13 AM

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The ability to slap you was granted to Sundered Angel by the webboard administration, not by you. He'll issue discipline as he sees fit, and does not require your permission.



For one thing, quit hunting me and trying to point out what is wrong with my posts, [insert insult here].

And it wasn't my permission, really, merely my...acceptence. Posted Image

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Posted 26 July 2004 - 12:18 AM

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I don't hunt you. I make legitimate posts here.

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Posted 26 July 2004 - 12:28 AM

Maybe that wasn't quite the correct term, but you are constaly pointing out everything that is wrong with many of my posts, to the point that I get the idea that you enjoy doing it. Hmmm.....

(the proper term for this is 'LK-hunter,' BTW)

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Posted 26 July 2004 - 01:02 AM

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Maybe that wasn't quite the correct term, but you are constaly pointing out everything that is wrong with many of my posts, to the point that I get the idea that you enjoy doing it. Hmmm.....

(the proper term for this is 'LK-hunter,' BTW)



I actually do enjoy refuting your arguments on Just Chat, because it's rather easy to do, and you keep making the same mistakes.
However, this is neither the time nor the place to be discussing that, as email works fine for personal issues.
In this case, I just thought I'd point out, for your benefit, that moderators don't take orders from members, so to speak. But since you knew that, it's all good.

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Posted 26 July 2004 - 04:49 AM

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We don't and liberals do? What a load of horse****.


Generally, LifeKnight, Conservatives care about what's best for them, and screw everyone else.

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I'll believe it when you tell your masters and minions to drop the war on Christians and Republicans,


There's no war anywhere, son. I hate to tell you, but as a part of life, sometimes people don't get along. Liberals are people for new ideas, sometimes radical, and conservatives and christians generally are against change. For example, look at the Republican party's other name: The GOP. The Grand 'ol Party.

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quit trying to get God out of schools and society,


God doesn't belong in society. God belongs in your house, behind closed doors, LifeKnight. Many people share many different Gods. What makes yours better? What makes yours more legitimate than Allah or Zeus? You'll notice that even George Bush defended the separation of Church and state in Iraq by installing a secular government.

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stop snipping on our rights and spying on our churches,


Where does this come from?

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and immedietly disband the orginization known as "The Imperium," the name of which is illegal use of a Catholic trademark,


It's not illegal to call a group of names (because that's all it really is) the Imperium. Does the Catholic Church really have a Trademark on it? I didn't know they Trademarked their faith.

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and the existence of which is a blasphemy in God's sight. THEN I'll believe you, not before.


Whatever you say, kid.

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Sundered Angel doesn't need your permission.

Thank you, that is all.


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Posted 26 July 2004 - 06:47 AM

If I slapped people for stupidity, I'd be at it all day.

It is a generally valid truth that "liberals" are more open to societal change than "conservatives". However, there are always exceptions; for instance, "conservatives" are often more open to welfare reform than liberals. You've got to keep facts like this in mind when making sweeping generalisations.

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Posted 26 July 2004 - 10:05 AM

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Where does this come from?


The part about churches being spied on comes from the topic on JC that brought him one step closer to a ban.

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Posted 26 July 2004 - 12:00 PM

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Originally posted by lotsofblackflags:
Where does this come from?



I think LK might have found my webcam in his church basement. Sorry about that, I was clumsy in hiding it.

I would just like to state that despite the fact that I happen to be a liberal myself in most areas, I want to hit people who make statements like "Liberals want people besides themselves to have rights. Conservatives don't." with a dead fish. This is oversimplifying it to a huge degree, and insulting an awful lot of people for no reason. I'm sure I could find you some conservatives who want rights for others. In fact, one is in the room with me right now-my mom, who is a Republican, a conservative, pro choice and pro gay marriage.

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