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Slayer's Guide Should it be moved to the webboard directly?

#1 Selax

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Posted 31 October 2007 - 02:46 PM

As mentioned in this topic, Slayer's Guide seems to be down again, and the only copy that I can find currently (not that I have looked very hard) is on archive.org.

It has occurred to me that the information from Slayer's Guide could in theory be transferred to a special topic on the webboard itself, lessening risk of losing access to it (however temporary that loss might be) and making it easier to access. (Naturally, a disclaimer warning that you should not use the Guide unless you want spoilers would be added.)

For example, the index to Slayer's Guide would be posted in the opening post. It would contain the customary links to sub-indexes which would be contained in other posts. The links in these sub-indexes would contain links to still other posts which would hold information on the sought object.

I am afraid that this method might lose the icons and pictures that Slayer's Guide has, but I am not certain that that would happen. To me, it still seems worth the price.

So, thoughts? Opinions? Suggestions?

(Note: In making this topic, I do not mean to offend anyone who has helped host Slayer's Guide in the past. On the contrary, I thank all of you for efforts. I merely think that this method might be easier for all concerned.)

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Posted 31 October 2007 - 05:08 PM

Perhaps ... although I will ask the host of the guide at the moment: and check why it is down.
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Posted 31 October 2007 - 06:08 PM

Selax, on Oct 31 2007, 01:46 PM, said:

I am afraid that this method might lose the icons and pictures that Slayer's Guide has, but I am not certain that that would happen. To me, it still seems worth the price.

You've been granted 50MB of attachment space you can upload, as long as you don't exceed 500K/post. I don't think too many of the pictures would be an issue, maybe just some of the pages with all the portraits, but I don't think excluding the portraits will prove overly detrimental to the guide's content.

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Posted 31 October 2007 - 07:59 PM

I have an archive copy of the guide on my computer; I could send you that...

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Posted 31 October 2007 - 08:47 PM

If it become a very big topic (in size) the you could just make it a sub forum for the Cythera forums, like the MASCOT sub forum froum for Ferazel.

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Posted 01 November 2007 - 12:22 AM

I don't think it'd actually be made into a forum like MASCOT, especially since there still technically is the possibility of buying a Cythera hintbook. Worst-case seems to be make a topic for each major section, then a topic to serve as an index to others, and refer everyone to the index topic. But I don't think it'll be that large in size, especially if people aren't allowed to reply directly to the guide topic.

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Posted 01 November 2007 - 07:11 AM

Sounds good to me. Even though there are sites out on the 'net where Slayer's Guide can still be found, I think that a local solution would be nice. Either that or a download optimised version, though that might be dubious.

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#8 Selax

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Posted 01 November 2007 - 01:42 PM

By the way, I probably won't be able to get started on this until about a week from today (two tests next week), so I guess you could say that's when the poll ends

.

In addition, as Avatara suggested, I don't intend to allow any direct replies to the Guide topic, both to keep it smaller and easier to use.

I think that maps could be uploaded (the link given by Jehezekel actually has all of the pictures and such, I think), but I was concerned about the little icons next to links, pictures of people, portraits, etc.

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Posted 04 November 2007 - 12:42 AM

Hello,

I am currently living in a different state from the server, but upon further investigation I discovered that the server has recently been upgraded to a newer version of OS X, which resulted in the site coming down. I can't provide any indication of when it will be back up, but I will be back home again by this time next week to fix things personally.

Of course moving the guide to the boards or to somewhere more stable (although http://scrabab.com/cythera.htm has been running it for quite a while now without problems) would be best.

Sorry for the down-time!

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#10 Selax

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Posted 04 November 2007 - 11:35 PM

Ah, I see. Thank you for the update

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Good to see you around, by the way.

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Posted 06 November 2007 - 12:02 AM

Selax, on Nov 5 2007, 03:35 PM, said:

Ah, I see. Thank you for the update

.

Good to see you around, by the way.

Thank you, and congratulations on becoming a moderator

. You have worked with a consistency of effort and skill that few could match to keep these boards running.

The server http://scrabab.com/cythera.htm is now up again, and hosting Slayer's website. While the site has changed very little from when Slayer sent it to me (I've added a couple of items, and that's it) I hope to have time to bring it more up to speed after my exams in a fortnight or so.

Don't hesitate to email me if you have any queries regarding the site!

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#12 Selax

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Posted 06 November 2007 - 11:00 PM

Thanks

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Posted 07 November 2007 - 01:27 AM

dusk! It's nice to see you about

I voted yes because I believe it would be nice just to be able to check a special, pinned topic rather than having to research the link.

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#14 Selax

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Posted 08 November 2007 - 10:30 PM

The vote seems to be overwhelmingly "Yes," so I'll get starting on this sometime in the next day or two.

EDIT:
Oh wow...this is going to take a while

(and make my post count skyrocket it seems). I hadn't remembered the way that he has everything interlinked. I'm disinclined to add links yet. I'll handle that when I go back through to simplify matters.

Please, no one post in that topic!

EDIT 2:
Whew, missions are done...except for the interlinking which will be a real monster. If anyone wants to help post sections of this, please let me know and I'll give you the template that I'm using.

This thing might grow into a real monster, if I keep doing things this way. I made a separate post for each mission, so that linking would work better.

Any suggestions?

EDIT 3:
Oh yes, I'm locking the topic to keep it ontrack. I'll unlock it when I work on it next.

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Posted 08 November 2007 - 11:58 PM

It's great to see this thing coming together. If you'd like my help just let me know. Interlinking shouldn't to much trouble all you need to do is copy-paste the post link into a condensed URl thingy. Bigest chore will be actualy getting it all up there. It looks good though!

#16 Selax

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Posted 09 November 2007 - 12:40 AM

Actually, I'm referring to how Slayer interlinked the names.

Oh, and, thanks, Two Jacks

. Given the difficulty that this might involve, it is very good to hear positive feedback.

By the way, I'm going to go ahead and combine a few of the skills into the same posts. For instance, all of the skills that Hadrian teaches will be put into one post to simplify posting the material.

If there are objections to this, I can always go back and change it to be how Slayer has it.

Does anyone object to this idea?

EDIT:
Skills are now up.

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Posted 09 November 2007 - 01:37 AM

The skill thing is fine, better to keep it to one person, though I don't think it would work in any other category besides items (and then it would only work when people give you items, not places). Then again having all the rare items for one area might be helpful.

So progress will be, "All info up, Linkage, Fine tuning"? Will there be pictures also? Might also want to have a link to the actual Slayer's Guide, though it may be redundant...

What about adding to the guide? There have been some new things discovered in the land of Cythera, what with the tree of life and all, not to mention glitches and other easter eggs. Maybe even instructions and info on plug-ins.

Also might be a good idea to pin the guide down, and keep it locked. There's this topic to discuss it and if anyone ever has a question about it in the future a new topic wouldn't be so bad.

There's already a chronicle of the month section on the page, maybe we should update ours. How about a link to every TS or/and chronicle, thoiguh it's not really needed.

Most of the stuff I've talked about isn't really what the original page was about, so it doesn't have to be there at all, just ideas.

Can't wait to see the final version.

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Posted 09 November 2007 - 01:51 AM

I do indeed plan on pinning the guide

. I just hadn't yet because I hadn't finished it. It will also remain locked when I'm done with it.

It's funny that you should mention pictures because I had just been deciding what to about pages like this.

I can get the text info but not the graphics. My idea was to put up the text info and include (if possible) a screenshot of the page.

The downside to this is that would the pictures would be unavailable to non-members. I could also include a link to a screenshot in Wizard's photobucket account but that might be "overkill," so to speak.

I'm not quite certain what to do with maps yet.

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Posted 09 November 2007 - 02:15 AM

I was going to suggest condensing all those one-two line skill descriptions into one post (that means you only need one link for skill training, for example), and the like - as a bunch of really short posts can lead to a lot of scrolling and makes your linking life difficult. Remember you can merge posts, you don't have to cut and delete everything.

As for the picture page, I'd just take a screenshot of it and post the screenshot. Does it really prevent you from seeing the picture if you're not a member?

Edit: Apparently, yes it does.

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Posted 09 November 2007 - 02:36 AM

There's always coding, though it may lag the loading process of the page: [img]http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e375/frog_prince_22/ArmourIndex.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e375/fro...ArmourIndex.jpg

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#21 Selax

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Posted 09 November 2007 - 02:21 PM

A good suggestion, Two Jacks. I was unaware of the ability to do that.

Wizard plans to post such pages into his photobucket account. The only qualm that I have is that it seems to defy part of the purpose of moving the guide to the webboard by relying on external hosting. It would, however, make the information more accessible. If I do use it, I might upload screenshots too...(I'll certainly save them). Some are too big for that though.

Anyone have any suggestions or recommendations?

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Posted 09 November 2007 - 02:29 PM

I know the [IMG] tag exists, I'm just hesitant to use it because again, it depends on someone hosting an external resource (in this case, pictures on a foreign web site). Isn't there also a bandwidth limit on the image-hosting sites?

Edit: Oops, Selax beat me to it.

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#23 Selax

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Posted 09 November 2007 - 03:13 PM

For the moment, I'm inclined to go with what I had proposed earlier. For charts, a text-only version for non-members, and a screenshot for members. The primary purpose of this, after all, is to make sure that the essential information remains available.

I welcome any input on this issue and others, by the way.

I think that maps are going to be troublesome...

EDIT:
I'm trying something with the Thumbnails section. I'm not certain whether I'll be able to do the full-size, half-size, and quarter-size Cythera maps.

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Posted 09 November 2007 - 03:21 PM

On the in-game screen shot thing: You don't need the whole picture, just the actual game play screen itself. Editing out everything but the game play screen would reduce the size of the picture, and instead of [IMG] coding you could just post a link to the picture like I did in my last post. Though this would still be relying on an outside source, but reduce load time.

On the maps: Is there really a problem making the maps members only, since other things are already going to be? Or is it just the size of the maps that makes it difficult?

#25 Selax

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Posted 09 November 2007 - 03:42 PM

Actually, I meant screenshots of Slayer's Guide, and I think I have a way around that problem. I'll split the people shots into two or three parts to make them fit

.

I think that maps might end up being members-only, but, if Wizard uploads them to his account, I will probably include a link to it for non-member to use.

As for size, I'm not sure: are alternate sizes needed and do they show up in the attachments differently in any case?

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