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Posted 27 May 2006 - 01:27 PM

View PostHalf Truth, on May 26 2006, 10:57 PM, said:

I think that all we really need to do is decide on an ending to this TS and just moving toward that goal.
That we should. I'm back again, so I'll be able to post in the TS if we can think of a good ending. I'd be willing to now, but I have really no idea of anything significant that has happened over the last several posts.

But, yes, Selax, I do share your concern to finish the TS rather than leave it to die :P

Edit: Trying out the Quick Edit feature. It's good to be back.

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Posted 28 May 2006 - 08:17 PM

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I think that all we really need to do is decide on an ending to this TS and just moving toward that goal.


True, but the TS is almost certainly less than halfway through what it is supposed to cover and has already dragged on almost longer than either of the previous two TSs. It would take a great deal of time for two-three people only able to use some of the characters to finish it without summarizing. In addition, thinking of an end could involve summarizing to some degree.


Possible TS ending (similar to a summary):
Several more weeks elapse, in which time steps 3 and 4a from the plot outline in the TS occur.
The mages are divided into three groups with the group led by Tarlyn manipulating the other two groups against each other and the civilians.
Talryn, however, planning to betray the DK, starts to leave a trail of clues which he hopes will lead the group to the source of the trouble.
Several times, the group searches the catacombs but is unable to find anything. (Eventually, they discover the part of the catacombs that they are seeking has been magically hidden.)
Somewhere during this period, the project that the corrupted mages have been working on is revealed. It is found to be a kind of golem that uses the powers of the four elements and is thus very dangerous. Thern begins to build an army of these.
At length, the mages and civilians are on the brink of civil war and begin to assemble armies.
The group finally reaches the end of the clues left by Talryn and confronts Thern and Talryn in the catacombs. Thern reveals that he knew Talryn was leaving clues but that he used those clues to lure the group into a trap. The trap is sprung, but Tej and Talryn use the vials that they created earlier (the existence of which Thern is unaware) to enable the group to escape.
The group returns just in time to stop the mage and civilian armies from attacking each other and manages to end the feud with the evidence that they have accumulated. Lindus also wakes up.
Thern attacks both armies with his army of golems and mages. After a battle in and around Pnyx, Thern is killed (?), and the crisis averted.

The ending is very rough due to the fact that I am not going into much detail. I assume that at least one person will have a question or suggestion?
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Posted 28 May 2006 - 11:18 PM

My suggestion would be to alter the idea for the TS ending to make it less reliant on inactive characters (including mine). At this point, Talryn has barely been in the story, revolving heavily around him means someone else needs to figure out his character, which is just extra work on top of struggling to keep the story moving. And its not just limited to trying to use Talryn.

In my opinion, if people want their characters to do something badly enough [to influence the storyline] they'll post it, but that's my take on it.

I know I've been failing at that, I will make a post sometime, but I don't know when (and I'm fine with adapting the ideas to where the storyline ends up at that time), so don't let me be holding you back. This will probably be my last story for a long time.

I actually think the story is over halfway. Sure there is a lot more that could be done, especially if there was more interest, but trying to do that all when struggling along with two or three people is difficult (unless your posting team doesn't mind making it into a half-chronicle, kind of like the end of Tale of the Treasure was). Perhaps now that dusk has returned, you can bludgeon him into helping out, especially since (based on the feedback in the other thread) this is likely to be the last story for a while that takes so many liberties with non-Cytherian characters - what better than having the dusk/Nixus crew turn up to make a mess of things?
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Posted 29 May 2006 - 07:19 AM

View PostAvatara, on May 29 2006, 02:18 PM, said:

this is likely to be the last story for a while that takes so many liberties with non-Cytherian characters

My next character will almost certainly be from Cythera. Currently I am writing a chronicle that will introduce him... I have a problem, however, of the chronicle being set significantly before the current time of Cythera. I'll work something out and, if it becomes to implausible or involves anything beyond reason, I'll simply make a new one.

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what better than having the dusk/Nixus crew turn up to make a mess of things?

*Burns with shame :P *

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Perhaps now that dusk has returned, you can bludgeon him into helping out

I am bursting to join in the next T.S. (hopefully featuring a less divergent story-line and more realistic characters), but my helping to finish the current T.S. might be a bit awkward, unless I was to take the role of characters other people are no longer playing, or NPC's. I'm not sure, up to everyone else. I will try and help if I can.
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Posted 29 May 2006 - 11:39 AM

View Postdusk, on May 29 2006, 06:19 AM, said:

*Burns with shame :P *

Let me know if we need to replace the fire extinguisher in the closet.

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I am bursting to join in the next T.S. (hopefully featuring a less divergent story-line and more realistic characters), but my helping to finish the current T.S. might be a bit awkward, unless I was to take the role of characters other people are no longer playing, or NPC's. I'm not sure, up to everyone else. I will try and help if I can.

I don't see what's awkward about it, we've always (or usually) had people join mid-story, as long as it made contextual sense. And in this case, I don't think there's anything in the plot preventing more people from jumping in - especially since a bunch of people are dropping out.
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Posted 01 June 2006 - 09:06 PM

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My suggestion would be to alter the idea for the TS ending to make it less reliant on inactive characters (including mine).


Any suggestions on how best to do this?

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Perhaps now that dusk has returned, you can bludgeon him into helping out. . .


Hmm, if a moderator gives you permission to harm another member, does that it's legal? :P

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I am bursting to join in the next T.S. (hopefully featuring a less divergent story-line and more realistic characters), but my helping to finish the current T.S. might be a bit awkward, unless I was to take the role of characters other people are no longer playing, or NPC's. I'm not sure, up to everyone else. I will try and help if I can.


Personally, I have no problem with your joining the current TS.
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Posted 05 June 2006 - 03:36 AM

If I do end up joining the current TS, I think we should be trying to draw it to a successful close. Would some one be able to provide a brief synopsis of the current TS's story-line? I will post, but I don't really have enough time to go over the story line to date, this being my last year of school and all!
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Posted 05 June 2006 - 02:31 PM

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If I do end up joining the current TS, I think we should be trying to draw it to a successful close. Would some one be able to provide a brief synopsis of the current TS's story-line? I will post, but I don't really have enough time to go over the story line to date, this being my last year of school and all!


I still think it'd almost be better to just summarize the end of the TS, but, if we could get a group of people (preferably at least three) and settle on a definite ending, we might be able to push it to a close.


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This is the SEE text on the main plot for the TS. It is very similar to a rough draft and may be somewhat confusing since several different people wrote parts of it. I may edit it to be more comprehensive either today or next weekend. Some parts of this may have already been changed; as already mentioned, it is basically a rough draft.


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I. Main plot
Notes:
A. The group's role is to attempt to figure out what's going on at Pnyx and stop the conflict from escalating into an all-out bloodbath, but time is against them.
B. Selax is thinking he'll start out with Selax finding a messenger from Pnyx telling of the assassination attempt.
C. Character info for Drake Thern: The description that I have so far: Tall, dark, and...eyes. A slash (from Avatara) on his left cheek and possibly a scar on his right wrist (I'm not sure about this one; he got cut there but I don't know if he still has it, but it is mentioned that he keeps the one on his cheek). One of his kidneys imploded in the fight.
Thern has aged since the last encounter. While he still retains most of his martial arts abilities, he's not quite as fast and strong as he used to be. His age has begun to show in the form of faintly visible wrinkles and a bit slower speed. Despite his aging body (he's about mid-forties), he still has enough physical strength to put up a fight and land solid blows. As he is originally from a world that had limited magic, he has no real innate magical abilities. He does have some experience with using jewelry to control other creatures and their talents.

1. The story starts off with an assassination attempt by an unknown assailant against Lindus in Pnyx. An investigation is launched, during which Talryn and Drake Thern ("one of the DK servants in past times", and bad guy from LKH - for story) shift the blame onto an innocent party of moderate mages. Discontent and fear begins to spread among the mages and citizens.

2. Talryn, with Thern's help, begin using events as a means to turn some mages to their cause. Only Talryn/Thern know about the DK though, the mages believe they're doing what they're doing for the good of Cythera.
<Selax> Talryn and the mages are working on creating a new kind of golem‚ one that combines the powers of the four elements.
I spoke with Dark Jet a day or two ago. He tells me that Talryn is planning on betraying the DK. This would work best near the end of the TS, I think, rather than the beginning.
It occurred to me that a twist might be to have Thern aware and planning for it. This would make some sense to me; the DK could be aware but s too busy to bother with it and leaves it to Thern.
Near, but not at the end. An interesting thought is to tie it in well with the story and lead up to it in steps, rather than just a sudden betrayal, though a sudden betrayal would make some sense, with the conflict in his mind. So, would Talryn escape, and how? I don't know; I need to clear this with Dark Jet. Yea, it could stand to be clarified a bit more, but its an interesting idea nonetheless
<Dark Jet> The vial that i mentioned in the Tavern will have something to do with the betrayl. I'm thinking having Talryn show hesitation with certain events, such as with a killing (which could result in the failure of the assanation atempt that Selax hears about and therefore could be the beginning of the TS. Talryn would continue to show slight hesitation in actions that he would carry out without thinking about it. The only thing that doesn't add up is why did Talryn join with the DK in the first place? Hasn't Talryn been a part of killing innocents before now?
<Selax>Okay, does my idea here: "It occurred to me that a twist might be to have Thern aware and planning for it. This would make some sense to me; the DK could be aware but s too busy to bother with it and leaves it to Thern." sound okay to you?
<Dark Jet>Err.. kinda.. just depends on what steps Thern takes to prevent Talryn. How strong is Thern compared to Talryn? Thern is more of a mental-strength hero, not a physical strength.

<Dark Jet> Well now im thinking that when Talryn does his betrayal, that he waits for the group to arrive, and takes the oppertunity to catch Thern off guard. and blow up the DK's void. the Vial comes into play there with the void, but Talryn would also toss another vial into Dk's army. Thern could possibly prevent that.
I think it'd work best to have the betrayal near the end and have Thern have planned well enough to blunt most of the effects, but he misses something and the battle comes to a point where it could go either way.

3. A group of radical mages (and mages not on the DK's side) start a witchhunt in an attempt to root out those who might be working against them. Instead of discovering the turned "evil" mages, they instead (unintentionally?) turn their fire upon the remaining moderate mages. Their antics further anger the non-mage coalition of Cytherian citizens.

4a. A notable group are those citizens who dislike the mages. They further grow to fear/hate mages as a result of #1-3 and some moderate mages get outcast as a consequence. + some bad stuff happens to them, see actual story

4b. An idea off of that is to use the subplot as a tool to rile up the citizens. This could help to broaden the story a bit, tie the second tale in closer with the first. That's what I was hoping the group's use of the zetacomb would do, anger the citizens, even though the zetacomb was used for good. Exactly, its easier to read up here, closer to top

5. So, why is it the group's role to figure out what's going on? Much of this seems to be internal to Pnyx, and it is unlikely that the radicals would allow laity into the proceedings.

Since Lindus is still alive, it seems likely that he would have a large influence on the proceedings of the court (I assume one exists), namely the selection of the jury. Perhaps he suggests that Alaric provide a neutral jury; since few characters are from Cythera, he might suggest them on the basis that they have less of a stake in the outcome.

From this point, the characters would be set as members of the grand jury with a trial date set perhaps a week into the future.

6. Dolophonous is a freemage who is the real assassin, named by Lindus in one of his sparse waking moments. Dolophonous is easily captured, subdued, and confesses. His confession suggests he had accomplices, but he is killed before he can reveal any names.


Since quite a few people have dropped out and the TS has been going on for some time, a summary of the plot might be somewhat difficult. I could post the entire SEE text if that would help. I don't think that I will attempt a full summary now.

NOTE:
I don't know if I will post anything on the TS before Saturday; I have a few things that need doing this week.

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Posted 10 June 2006 - 01:27 PM

I'd appreciate it if someone else could do a summary; I'll put up a post today, but I don't know if I'll have the energy to attempt a summary to day.
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Posted 18 June 2006 - 03:38 PM

I suppose that I'll have to attempt a summary eventually...
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Posted 02 July 2006 - 12:05 AM

I am again considering summarizing the end of the TS because almost no one seems to have interest in it (I myself have lost most of my interest in it), and it is really quite difficult for one person to end such a story in the usual manner.
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Posted 04 July 2006 - 03:02 AM

We could always just bring a dramatic end to this TS instead of trying to wrap it up.
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Posted 06 July 2006 - 01:41 PM

View PostSelax, on Jul 2 2006, 05:05 AM, said:

I am again considering summarizing the end of the TS because almost no one seems to have interest in it (I myself have lost most of my interest in it), and it is really quite difficult for one person to end such a story in the usual manner.
Well, as I said earlier, I'm still willing to post, but frankly, I'm not sure how to get from where we are to where we're going.

View PostHalf Truth, on Jul 4 2006, 08:02 AM, said:

We could always just bring a dramatic end to this TS instead of trying to wrap it up.
We could try this too, but we'd have to do a good job on it if we wanted to tie up all the loose ends.
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Posted 07 July 2006 - 03:20 PM

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I think that I'd have to summarize to reach a point where we could do a dramatic end.

I am going to post something this weekend. Should I attempt to summarize a little? Or should I do an ordinary post?
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Posted 08 July 2006 - 04:10 PM

The biggest problem I can see at the moment is the battle in the void, it doesn't seem like something that is just going to stop overnight. What could be done though is to have an ancient long dead ally of the Chimera to come back for a short time, or something along those lines.
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Posted 08 July 2006 - 05:38 PM

The battle in the void is intended to be a subplot, although I admit that I have focused on it more than on the main plot lately. (I find it much easier to write.) The TS was intended to stretch out over a period of several Cythera weeks; this battle was intended to last some weeks. With the lack of people, the TS has been somewhat sped up. Basically, the DK and the Chimaera will each attempt to beat the other to a pulp, and neither will succeed. Eventually, they (after some weeks) both stop fighting and return to their followers renew their war. I doubt that I will write very much about their fight to avoid the issue of their powers.

(Part of the reason for this subplot was to remove the DK from Cythera itself and introduce a balancing force for him. He will be much more of an indirect villain in the future, working to conquer Cythera through agents.)


Incomplete and possible ending for the TS:

(I am not certain about some of these characters—whether I may use them in this summary, how they act, their abilities, how their owners would wish them to be used, etc. If you don't want your character to appear in this, please let me know and I will remove them. I don't actually think that I used in any of cache's characters in this. This doesn't yet address my subplot.)

Talryn comes to group and tells them about the plot against Pnyx and his and Thern's involvement in it.

Using this and some other evidence, the group manages to avert a civil war between the mages and citizens, who had both assembled their armies to attack the other and had actually been just about to start fighting.

Thern attacks both assembled armies with his group of rogue mages and a new breed of golems (elemental golems who have the powers of the four elements [although not as powerful] and are as maneuverable as Selax in battle). A battle begins that takes place all over Pnyx and outside it.

Wizard theorizes that Thern is connected with the rogue mages somehow and coordinating their efforts and if he could be removed his army might lose all unity.

While Tej, Talryn, Thomas (one of Dark Jet's characters, see TS pg.1), Etiko (another one of Dark Jet's characters, see TS pg.1), and Wizard create a distraction. (After they have succeeded in their diversion, they rejoin the battle.) Selax, Medoc, and Moonshadow go after Thern. He flees from them to one of the upper floors of Pnyx. Here, by sheer chance, they run into Zacarutu/Gin as he is attempting to flee Pnyx. He darts out of a window (being able to fly), and Selax goes after him (also being able to fly), leaving Medoc and Moonshadow to catch Thern.

During this chase, Thern frequently uses an amulet to summon various creatures to aid him in his escape. At last, he summons a daemon, but, in the process of this, Medoc manages to smash the amulet but is left to face the daemon alone when he is cut off from Thern and Moonshadow by a collapsing stairway. He prevails and attempts to reach the other two, who have now reached the top of Pnyx. (If anyone is curious, why I include the possibility of Moonshadow getting Thern, see the TS LKH (for story) in the Best of Cythera topic.)

Moonshadow manages to catch up to Thern and the two fight. The fight ends when Thern is knocked out of a window (avoiding the issue of whether he lives or dies). With his seeming death, his army loses cohesion and is soon routed. At roughly the same time, Selax and Zacaratu (who have been fighting an aerial battle around Pnyx) end their fight when Selax finally succeed in injuring Zacaratu and knocking him into the sea and a large group of Scylla. Unfortunately, Selax is unable to see if he is really dead because of the Scylla.

Meanwhile, the DK and the Chimaera at last end their fight after smashing away at each other for some time. They return to their places and begin to renew their war. Although they themselves may no longer personally threaten Cythera, it is quite likely that their war will someday extend to it in various ways.

Alaric comes to visit Pnyx in person to help ease tensions and avert the threat of civil war. The various feuds begin to heal. Lindus also wakes up and makes a complete recovery. Talryn is put on a kind probation and in the custody of Thomas and Etiko with whom he soon leaves the area. Before he leaves, he talks with Selax about the DK. In this discussion, Selax makes him promise to keep quiet about what he knows and at the same time tells him that despite what he has seen he doesn't truly know who the DK is or just how dangerous he could be. In return, Selax promises to tell him the full story some day.

The group returns at last to Cademia.

(There is perhaps more, but I need to talk to Avatara about some of this as it may affect future TSs.)


Opinions? Suggestions?

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Posted 09 July 2006 - 07:29 PM

That sounds like a very good ending. Now if we can just pull it off well enough. . . :P
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Posted 09 July 2006 - 07:37 PM

I will probably post either today or tomorrow (most likely tomorrow).
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Posted 10 July 2006 - 05:06 PM

It does sound like a good ending, I will try to get a post off in the next few days.
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Posted 10 July 2006 - 09:42 PM

I was planning to post today, but I've been busy on something else for the past few hours. Anything that I post today will be short so I will probably wait until tomorrow. However, I will definitely post then.
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Posted 13 July 2006 - 07:57 PM

Well, this TS was intended to wrap up loose ends and has, I think, only partially succeeded (although some new ones may have been created I think that they are mostly minor). Does anyone know if Avatara and Desert Fox are planning to finish their subplot?

Also, I think that it would be helpful if members resumed using IRC to help in coordinating the remainder of this and future TSs.
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Posted 14 July 2006 - 12:49 AM

View PostSelax, on Jul 13 2006, 06:57 PM, said:

Well, this TS was intended to wrap up loose ends and has, I think, only partially succeeded (although some new ones may have been created I think that they are mostly minor). Does anyone know if Avatara and Desert Fox are planning to finish their subplot?

It'd be nice to, but I've only got one post out of about the planned 20-25 to go, and there's no way I can carry the weight of the whole thing myself. Especially since most of the characters aren't even mine, and its been over eight months since there was any real posting with them.

I really hate to leave loose ends, especially since this is probably the last story of its kind for a long time, but it'll probably just be left hanging. I might throw in a post or two to leave the subplot hanging at a more "hangable" location (than just petering off inexplicably, as it did now), but don't hold your breath too much.
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Posted 15 July 2006 - 10:19 PM

It'd be nice if people would start visiting irc again; it is a useful means of working on the TSs.
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Posted 17 July 2006 - 12:37 AM

View PostAvatara, on Jul 14 2006, 05:49 AM, said:

but don't hold your breath too much.
I know this isn't relational to the topic, but I just wanted to let you know I spent a night and a half looking for that Pearls Before Swine cartoon in which pig sinks to the bottom of a swimming pool because rat tells him not to hold his breath, but to no avail.

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View PostSelax, on Jul 16 2006, 03:19 AM, said:

It'd be nice if people would start visiting irc again; it is a useful means of working on the TSs.
I need to try and start getting back on regularly again; although, I must admit it would be more alluring if more people did start coming again.
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Posted 17 July 2006 - 08:51 PM

I'll try to get another post up on the TS in the next week—on the weekend at the very latest.
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I now run a TS Character Killing Service.

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