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The way I see it, the Ishiman Stellar Protectorate is a major galactic power. They command a large number of worlds(though most of them are filled with wussy, protectorate races) They are definitely a major economic power in the galaxy, and while their military technology is lacking, I think that their civil, commercial and agricultural technology must be amazing, I mean they're gigantic beavers! all they do all day is design bigger and more efficient automated factories, which build bigger and more efficient astrominers.

Then why wern't they subjugated, you ask? My answer is that they are big enough that nobody is going to come and smash them, but not because of their actual standing navy. Since they may be totally unwilling to fight, they barely have a big enough navy to defend all of their systems, not nearly as big as the Cantharaan Navy, and most of it never leaves the stardocks anyway, because the Ishimans shiver with fear at the thought of losing pilots in training accidents, so they have a very small, elite navy(elite by Ish standards,anyway) and the rest of their defence relies on their massive industrial capability, and their ability to very quickly convert their factories to produce military vessels in an emergency, but they are usually quite loathe to lower the efficiency of their perfect industrial and economic machine by produceing military ships that have not been exactly optimised for the factories.

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I agree, but the Ishiman are powerfull enough to defend themselves. Not against the Order, but against pretty much everyone.

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Never put all your ranking officers in a shuttle.

[This message has been edited by Slug (edited 12-31-2000).]

this is a good topic, how bout cueing us in on what you think all the races are slug, so then you wont have to argue woth darkk as much...

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just take my post, and imagine everything is speeled right.
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I like arguing, Pyro

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Never put all your ranking officers in a shuttle.

bah, so much for getting info out of ASI the easy way...

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just take my post, and imagine everything is speeled right.
nickel count: 7

I like discussions, not arguments. I'm a little Ishiman in my temperment...

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William Darkk, head of the Darkklight Entrepenurial Federation
Your cargo or your life!!!

Hmmm... I think that the Ishiman are a very nice people, as in just, peaceful, and open-minded, but I think that their military is no match for Cantharans or maybe even Salrilians or Audemedons, although the Sal and Aud navies are small. (Slug, why do you think they have such a capable navy?)

As for Ishiman technology, it's about average; not as good as that of Bazidan, Salril, Elejee, or Audemed....ania? But it's better than Gaitori, Cantharan (only slightly better than Canth technology) and — here's where the argument is — possibly Obish as well.

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--Joolzman5, that guy with the red spikey hair whose presence never fails to suddenly kill Mag Steelglass

The Ishimans have a rather large industrial base. They fricking build inhabitable planetoids! [at least according to Slug] They've got the resources to go around saving little, underdeveloped races, and probably could have a really dangerous navy if they really tried, which they won't because they're scared little rodents.

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William Darkk, head of the Darkklight Entrepenurial Federation
Your cargo or your life!!!

Since they don't concentrate on military at all, the Ishimans have amazing technology in the civil and industrial sector(you thought the japanese were good) They're amazing engineers, and can design about anything. Now, they have huge, efficient production facilities, and they just sit around all day helping other people, because if their production gets any more efficient, they'll fill the galaxy with ringworlds.

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I did not say that. Nathan Lamont says they build tubeworlds to preserve certain species.

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Never put all your ranking officers in a shuttle.

Well, building tubeworlds is pretty impressive if you ask me. Can you imagine constructing something on the scale of the Earth?

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I imagine the Ishiman as a race a bit like Switzerland who say 'We dont want to fight with anyone but if anyone invades us we have powerful armed forces and we will use them to kick you out again.'

I think their navy is kept up to date and in good repair but is almost always in storage.

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Grand Fleet Admiral Slathkill, Supreme Commander I.M.A. Fleet

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I thought along a similar line, but my metaphor is more like the US on the eve of WW2: huge industrial base, great technology, but even larger reluctance to fight.

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William Darkk, head of the Darkklight Entrepenurial Federation
Your cargo or your life!!!

*thinks the Ishiman are like Canada*

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"I think I have discovered the problem with humans. It is not entirely stupididy, as I once thought. It is their pigheaded and baseless philosophy: "If it isn't me, then it's opinions, feelings, and life do not matter, and it was meant to serve me." They also have this ability for creating excuses that are pointless, but they get others to believe it. A few examples: "It's only some savages. It's only five acres of rain forest. It's only one semi-truck. It's only fifty gallons of toxic waste..." After this realization, I marvelled at how humans, and the rest of the planet, have survived for so very long."
- Me

Well, Switzerland likes to believe it has a nice armed forces, but what really kept the Germans out was the mountains, not the Army.

I like the US analogy better, the Protectorate is not as tiny and insignificant as Switzerland. It is a major player economically. The fact is, if they ever decided to, they could take out Cantharis. Too bad imagining the debris of a Cantharaan gunship gives the bravest Ishiman nightmares for weeks.

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I remeber somewere on the old board a post about why species' ships were their colors. One answer for some species (I think it was the Obish, but it works for the Ish, and the color's closer) is that they were terrified of space, and held their breath.


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Getting tribute from the Ishimans might be possible by entering their main Parlimentary buildings and waving a butter knife threateningly (unless they really do have body guards from other races, in which case you'd simply hold the knife in the President/PM's face while the bodyguards are reasonably far away).
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William Darkk, head of the Darkklight Entrepenurial Federation
Your cargo or your life!!!

[This message has been edited by Fleet Admiral Darkk (edited 01-02-2001).]

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Can't design as well as Salrilians or Elejeetians though. Or Audemedons, but those guys have an unfair advantage.

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--Joolzman5, that guy with the red spikey hair whose presence never fails to suddenly kill Mag Steelglass

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Depends on what's being designed. I'd bet the Ishimans make much better butter (economics term for civilian goods) than anybody else, but their guns aren't quite as good.

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William Darkk, head of the Darkklight Entrepenurial Federation
Yes, I hate Cantharans. Does the trophy on the wall make it too obvious?

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Mmmm.... butter. You know, too many people have forgotten how good butter is.

And - true. I guess there are a lot of different things that "engineering" can incorporate.

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--Joolzman5, that guy with the red spikey hair whose presence never fails to suddenly kill Mag Steelglass

While not quite true I would expect Ishiman technology to be more advanced in shields and other defensive measures while other, more warlike races (the Obiards, for example, who have been at war with the Gaitori on and off for years) to be more advanced in weapons. However this view is not entierly held up by Hera.

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Grand Fleet Admiral Slathkill, Supreme Commander I.M.A. Fleet

The Ishiman carriers are AMAZING in groups. Watch those pulse turrets whack those carriers all the way back to cantharis. I beat level 16 in a fun way by building 6 carriers, launching all their fighters, and head at sublight towards the enemy base. I did not lose even 1 carrier!

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"Sergeant, you can't fire that in here! We're indoors!"
"Only until I pull the trigger, Captain!" -Terry Pratchett

Dude, try AUD carriers in groups. I'd gladly show you in a multi game, I'd even be willing to have 1 less carrier. NO HVDS, THOUGH. Those would affect the "balence" (as if they auds have any).

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William Darkk, head of the Darkklight Entrepenurial Federation
"Strategic warfare" is code for "killing civilians", and it's my calling. Yeah, it's barbaric. War's supposed to be.

I think the Ishimans are very different biologicly then humans. There is somthing that makes them REALLY scared about losing any Ishiman lives, even for a noble cause (helping the humans). Maybe they have a huge life span, or maybe somthing keeps them from re-producing with any numbers or regularity. Ishiman ships are obviously need very few crew members to operate, the crew of the UNS Ares was able to control all the Ishiman shipds you used during the game, while keeping the Ares operational.

And while we dont know that much about many of the species, I think the Salrillians have a great industrial base, I mean they have there optical computer networks, they invented the cloaking field, and they CREATED the Audemedons, for mere bodyguards!

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Don't knock on the gates of hell, ring the doorbell, it drives them crazy.

Correction: They captured the Auds. The Grolk created the Auds, who then proceeded to wipe the Grolk out.

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"I think I have discovered the problem with humans. It is not entirely stupidity, as I once thought. It is their pigheaded and baseless philosophy: "If it isn't me, then it's opinions, feelings, and life do not matter, and it was meant to serve me." They also have this ability for creating excuses that are pointless, but they get others to believe it. A few examples: "It's only some savages. It's only five acres of rain forest. It's only one semi-truck. It's only fifty gallons of toxic waste..." After this realization, I marvelled at how humans, and the rest of the planet, have survived for so very long."
- Me

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I'm not sure what that wink is supposed to mean.... did you mean that seriously at all, or completely just kidding?

And the Auds do have a HVD, but their Gunship is arguably better, and costs about a third of the HVD.

The Salrilians seem to have incredible technology and a huge industrial base, however, they don't seem to have as much of a military base. They could be a hell of a lot more powerful if they wanted — but it seems like they prefer just doing behind-the-scenes stuff. They let the Cantharans do the fighting.

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—Joolzman5, that guy with the spikey red hair.
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