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#101 User is offline   Sponge Tom 

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Posted 12 February 2008 - 07:55 PM

Okay, left is the side the liver will likely be in the anatomy book. Unless you're holding the anatomy book upside down. But I'm not gonna help you figure out what upside down is. Your on your own from there.
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Posted 12 February 2008 - 11:33 PM

View PostSponge Tom, on Feb 12 2008, 04:55 PM, said:

Okay, left is the side the liver will likely be in the anatomy book. Unless you're holding the anatomy book upside down. But I'm not gonna help you figure out what upside down is. Your on your own from there.

As somebody stated earlier, up and down are defined by gravity.
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Posted 13 February 2008 - 10:34 AM

Yes, but if I say gravity is what makes things go down, they will assume down is up because smoke rises.
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Posted 13 February 2008 - 05:13 PM

View PostPufer, on Feb 4 2008, 02:20 AM, said:

I wouldn't be so sure about that. That's assuming that they operate on the same sensory principles as we do.


So you admit it has to do with our senses, and nothing else. My original definition wins again!
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Posted 13 February 2008 - 05:32 PM

Blind people still know what left is.

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 07:42 PM

View PostPufer, on Feb 13 2008, 02:32 PM, said:

Blind people still know what left is.

That's because directions can be based on tactile, or touch, perception, not just visual perception.
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Posted 13 February 2008 - 08:23 PM

View PostPufer, on Feb 13 2008, 05:32 PM, said:

Blind people still know what left is.

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What about the blind and deaf at birth?
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Posted 13 February 2008 - 08:59 PM

View PostSponge Tom, on Feb 13 2008, 05:23 PM, said:

What about the blind and deaf at birth?

What part of tactile don't you understand?
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Posted 13 February 2008 - 09:12 PM

View PostRebelious, on Feb 13 2008, 05:42 PM, said:

That's because directions can be based on tactile, or touch, perception, not just visual perception.


mrxak says folks use sight to figure out leftness, I say not necessarily.

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 09:20 PM

View PostPufer, on Feb 13 2008, 06:12 PM, said:

mrxak says folks use sight to figure out leftness, I say not necessarily.

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I'll be siding with you on this. How do you think Helen Keller would figure it out? The instructor would touch a left arm or leg, and then sign "left" into her hand until she got the concept.
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Posted 15 February 2008 - 06:11 PM

I would argue that she had no concept of left. She understood that other people did, and might respond to that, but she herself had no such concept.
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Posted 15 February 2008 - 06:31 PM

View Postmrxak, on Feb 15 2008, 03:11 PM, said:

I would argue that she had no concept of left. She understood that other people did, and might respond to that, but she herself had no such concept.

How can you say that? If somebody told her to raise her left hand, she could do it. Left is a directional concept that can only be learned over time, lack of sight or otherwise.
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Posted 16 February 2008 - 01:24 AM

Indeed. Something being a relative spacial relationship does not mean that it is only perceptible via sight.

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Posted 16 February 2008 - 01:30 AM

I don't believe it... I actually agree 100% with Pufer! :P
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Posted 16 February 2008 - 01:40 AM

There are people who, from injury or such, have no spacial sense. Helen Keller was not one of them (or if she was, she didn't tell anyone).
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Posted 28 February 2008 - 06:00 PM

This way<<<<<<<<<
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You may have already past left, so you would need to take a 3 rights to get back, so they are, one in the same, only one wastes more time.

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Posted 29 February 2008 - 01:08 AM

Here's a question. Why does left matter?

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Posted 29 February 2008 - 03:02 PM

Because we have decided that it should.
I guess so.

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Posted 29 February 2008 - 06:40 PM

View PostPufer, on Feb 28 2008, 10:08 PM, said:

Here's a question. Why does left matter?

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Better angle against a right-handed pitcher and no need to pivot to run toward first base.
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Posted 01 March 2008 - 02:26 AM

View Postzurdo, on Feb 29 2008, 04:40 PM, said:

Better angle against a right-handed pitcher and no need to pivot to run toward first base.


Ah, Pufer is again defeated by baseball.

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