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OK, htjyang, here we are..... this has been posted in the Briefing Room, Officer's Club, and Trash Talk. Here's what it is:
Please rank the races in two things:
1) Pure ships' power. A simple rating for how good the species ships are in general, at least from what you've seen (doesn't include any mods).
2) General power. A combo of technology, ship power (I don't know what the difference is to tell the truth), total naval size/power, and territory. Since only three races' territory are actually shown on the map, you'll basically have to guess as to other species' war readiness and territory.
Ish = Ishiman
Can=Cantharan
Gai=Gaitori
UNS=Human
Baz=Bazidanese
Ob = Obish
Ele=Elejeetian
Sal=Salrilian
Aud=Audemedon
Here's my ratings:
1) Aud, Ele, Sal, Baz, Ob, Ish, Can, UNS, Gai
2) Can, Ish, Gai, Sal, Aud, Ob, Ele, UNS, Baz
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Posted 20 December 2000 - 08:16 AM
Yeah, I agree with Slug. However, there is one thing I disagree with. The Obish have a very low Race Rating, but their Cruisers rock! I once took out a Cantharan carrier in one (while being swarmed by the Carrier's escorts).
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Posted 20 December 2000 - 08:37 AM
you can't use an obish cruiser to kill a sal carrier can you? that may be one good ship but all the others suck, actually, the cruiser is the only obish ship
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Posted 20 December 2000 - 01:08 PM
Keep in mind that those were ESCORT cruisers. No other race has them, so we don't know how powerful they should be. And we have battleships to compare, and the bazidaneze battleship is a lot better than an obish battleship. I think that rating was fine.
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Posted 20 December 2000 - 01:50 PM
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you can't use an obish cruiser to kill a sal carrier can you?
you can't use an obish cruiser to kill a sal carrier can you?
No, you can't. They never appear in the same level together.
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..that may be one good ship but all the others suck, actually, the cruiser is the only obish ship
..that may be one good ship but all the others suck, actually, the cruiser is the only obish ship
Nope. There is the Obish Battleship in "Make Way" (I think).
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Posted 20 December 2000 - 01:53 PM
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Keep in mind that those were ESCORT cruisers. No other race has them, so we don't know how powerful they should be.
Keep in mind that those were ESCORT cruisers. No other race has them, so we don't know how powerful they should be.
What about in Level 2 when I talked about "two Obish cruisers" who were exactly the same as those cruisers in the "Assassin"?
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And we have battleships to compare, and the bazidaneze battleship is a lot better than an obish battleship. I think that rating was fine.
And we have battleships to compare, and the bazidaneze battleship is a lot better than an obish battleship. I think that rating was fine.
I disagree. I like the Obish Cruiser actually a bit better than the Bazidanese battleship. However, they both appear against different races (although the Bazidanese one does fight the Cantharans).
The Obish battleship is better against the Cantharans who have slower, heavier dutey vessels.
The Bazidanese battleship is better against the fast Salrilians because of its homing pulses. They work real good against Sal ships in cloak.
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Posted 20 December 2000 - 02:39 PM
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Originally posted by Captain Carnotaur:
The Obish battleship is better against the Cantharans who have slower, heavier dutey vessels.
The Bazidanese battleship is better against the fast Salrilians because of its homing pulses. They work real good against Sal ships in cloak.
The Obish battleship is better against the Cantharans who have slower, heavier dutey vessels.
The Bazidanese battleship is better against the fast Salrilians because of its homing pulses. They work real good against Sal ships in cloak.
I agree, although I think that I would like the Bazidanese Battleship to the Obish one no matter what. It's my favorite ship to fly, other than the Audemedon Gunship.
My reason for posting this was a (very) small argument with htjyang about the position of the Obish in his Ares Guide.... I probably shouldn't have spammed all three boards though.
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Posted 20 December 2000 - 03:36 PM
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Originally posted by Captain Carnotaur:
What about in Level 2 when I talked about "two Obish cruisers" who were exactly the same as those cruisers in the "Assassin"?
What about in Level 2 when I talked about "two Obish cruisers" who were exactly the same as those cruisers in the "Assassin"?
Thoses were escort cruisers, as well.
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Originally posted by Captain Carnotaur:
I disagree. I like the Obish Cruiser actually a bit better than the Bazidanese battleship. However, they both appear against different races (although the Bazidanese one does fight the Cantharans).
The Obish battleship is better against the Cantharans who have slower, heavier dutey vessels.
The Bazidanese battleship is better against the fast Salrilians because of its homing pulses. They work real good against Sal ships in cloak.
I disagree. I like the Obish Cruiser actually a bit better than the Bazidanese battleship. However, they both appear against different races (although the Bazidanese one does fight the Cantharans).
The Obish battleship is better against the Cantharans who have slower, heavier dutey vessels.
The Bazidanese battleship is better against the fast Salrilians because of its homing pulses. They work real good against Sal ships in cloak.
By that same reasoning, I think the Ishiman heavy cruiser is better than the Ishiman carrier.
The bazidaneze battleship is better against the cantharans. The pulses do a lot more damage than the obish battleship's pulses, and they have more range and tracking.
I agree that the bazidaneze battleship is better than the salrillians, although I think it's because it's a better ship all around.
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Posted 20 December 2000 - 11:26 PM
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Originally posted by Mag Steelglass:
Keep in mind that those were ESCORT cruisers. No other race has them, so we don't know how powerful they should be.
Keep in mind that those were ESCORT cruisers. No other race has them, so we don't know how powerful they should be.
The Ishiman have escort cruisers, but you don't see them in the game. Not that it's important but I think I should point that out.
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And we have battleships to compare, and the bazidaneze battleship is a lot better than an obish battleship. I think that rating was fine.
Well, the obish Battleship in Make Way was only partially completed. The Ishiman had to complete it's construction, and those were Ishiman weapons on it.
That battleship was a remnant of the last Gaitori/Obiard war, a war which we know Obain was losing. Badly. So by logic, I have deducted that Obish Battleships suck!
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Thoses were escort cruisers, as well.
Thoses were escort cruisers, as well.
But it didn't refer to them as escort cruisers in the breifing. And how do you know that the Obish just call them escort cruisers? And besides, the Salrilian cruiser is similiar to it, and they don't call it an escort cruiser. It has a cloak, laser, and pulse, just like the Obish cruiser.
Of course, I may be wrong. I am just trying to defend my position and opinion. You may be right. You probably know more about Ares than I do.
I also disagree with Slug on how he said that the Obish Battleship had Ishima weapons on it. What about the Obish Cruiser? It has protopulses, and I would hardly think that Concussion missiles are a big Ishiman secret. In my opinion, the Obish were winning the war. In the breifing for Make Way, it told about the Obish's breif occupation of the Fansi system (was that the system name?) during the end of the war. In my opinion, this is a sign that the Obish were on the offensive, beating back the Gatori, and in doing so capturing the Fansi system. Of course, this is just my opinion too.
P.S. Really, Slug? The Ishima have escort cruisers too? Well then, what is the PICT for it called? I'd like to see what it looks like.
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Posted 21 December 2000 - 01:59 PM
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But it didn't refer to them as escort cruisers in the breifing. And how do you know that the Obish just call them escort cruisers? And besides, the Salrilian cruiser is similiar to it, and they don't call it an escort cruiser. It has a cloak, laser, and pulse, just like the Obish cruiser.
But it didn't refer to them as escort cruisers in the breifing. And how do you know that the Obish just call them escort cruisers? And besides, the Salrilian cruiser is similiar to it, and they don't call it an escort cruiser. It has a cloak, laser, and pulse, just like the Obish cruiser.
Try selecting one, they're escort cruisers. They're also identical to all the other times you see the escort cruisers, which is a big hint.
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I also disagree with Slug on how he said that the Obish Battleship had Ishima weapons on it. What about the Obish Cruiser? It has protopulses, and I would hardly think that Concussion missiles are a big Ishiman secret. In my opinion, the Obish were winning the war. In the breifing for Make Way, it told about the Obish's breif occupation of the Fansi system (was that the system name?) during the end of the war. In my opinion, this is a sign that the Obish were on the offensive, beating back the Gatori, and in doing so capturing the Fansi system. Of course, this is just my opinion too.
I also disagree with Slug on how he said that the Obish Battleship had Ishima weapons on it. What about the Obish Cruiser? It has protopulses, and I would hardly think that Concussion missiles are a big Ishiman secret. In my opinion, the Obish were winning the war. In the breifing for Make Way, it told about the Obish's breif occupation of the Fansi system (was that the system name?) during the end of the war. In my opinion, this is a sign that the Obish were on the offensive, beating back the Gatori, and in doing so capturing the Fansi system. Of course, this is just my opinion too.
What I think Slug meant was that the battleship would normally have a different set of weapons than it did, but the Ishiman didn't have that set of weapons, so they just gave it the same weapons as their carriers.
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[b]P.S. Really, Slug? The Ishima have escort cruisers too? Well then, what is the PICT for it called? I'd like to see what it looks like.
[b]P.S. Really, Slug? The Ishima have escort cruisers too? Well then, what is the PICT for it called? I'd like to see what it looks like.
I've only seen the sprite for them, I don't think Nathan Lamont actually put them into the game. If you make a new scenario with Hera, you can check the sprites. It's under Escort, Ishiman, I think.
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Posted 21 December 2000 - 02:46 PM
Obain only won the Gaitor/Obain war through the extensive use of borrowed technology. The cloaks are Salrilian and the Weapons (except the repulsor) are Ishiman.
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Oh yeah, I forgot about that.
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Posted 22 December 2000 - 02:33 AM
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Try selecting one, they're escort cruisers.
Try selecting one, they're escort cruisers.
Yes, when you select an Obish Escort Cruiser, it says "Escort." As for the Bazidanese Battleship: has a fight between it and the Salrilian Carrier been tried? Slug? My prediction is that the Battleship would win if they start at a distance from each other (R-Plasma have a long range) but if they start close the Carrier would win because the T-Space Bolt Rod would tear the Battleship to bits.
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Posted 22 December 2000 - 03:23 AM
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Yes, when you select an Obish Escort Cruiser, it says "Escort."
Yes, when you select an Obish Escort Cruiser, it says "Escort."
Despite the fact that it's class number designates it as a cruiser?
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As for the Bazidanese Battleship: has a fight between it and the Salrilian Carrier been tried? Slug? My prediction is that the Battleship would win if they start at a distance from each other (R-Plasma have a long range) but if they start close the Carrier would win because the T-Space Bolt Rod would tear the Battleship to bits.
Bazidanese Battleship won, but face it: The Bazidanese only ever built one. The Salrilians, however, have dozens of carriers.
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Posted 22 December 2000 - 08:03 AM
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Despite the fact that it's class number designates it as a cruiser?
Despite the fact that it's class number designates it as a cruiser?
That is what I have been trying to say. Although it may be Called an escort cruiser, it really is just a normal cruiser. One reason why the Obish called it this is because they specifically designed the Obish cruiser for escort dutey.
And now we get back to the argument starter: I think that the Obish are underrated in their race rating.
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Posted 22 December 2000 - 03:15 PM
Why? The only combat vessel we've seen from them was the escort, and we saw only two at a time, meaning they don't have more than a dozen of those total.
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Posted 22 December 2000 - 03:42 PM
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Bazidanese Battleship won, but face it: The Bazidanese only ever built one. The Salrilians, however, have dozens of carriers.
Bazidanese Battleship won, but face it: The Bazidanese only ever built one. The Salrilians, however, have dozens of carriers.
Very true; I certainly agree; I put the Bazidanese last in total power if you look back at the top.
As for the Escorts: yes, they're cruisers, but they're called Escorts. However yes they are still in the "Cruiser" class.
Captain Carnotaur: There's already an argument about this in Officer's Club. I agree with Slug about Gaitori's total power on the basis that the Gaitori seem to have a huge advantage in numbers/mass production ability. However Obish ships are definitely superior.
However, I think that the Obish have plenty of Escorts. The Escorts seem to be their main fighting ship, as it is basically a cruiser as I just said. Though we only see at most two at a time of them, the Obish may simply be distrustful (is that a word?) and unwilling to loan many of their ships out. Who knows...
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I think i have to point out that the Gaiatori WERE very powerful but were conquered by the cantharians... Would any Empire let a slave race get very powerful? Also they are in the middle of a Civil War and that will weaken any civilization. Has anyone thought about using the shiips from the Obish VS. Eljeet Plug?
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Posted 27 December 2000 - 04:30 PM
The Gaitori were defeated by the Salrillians, the Cantharans, and the Ishiman, all working together and supporting the Obish. The Gaitori are still under the Cantharan's thumb, although they are still extremely powerful. The Cantharans are just more powerful. And the ships from the Obish vs. Elejeetian plug don't count, as they are from a plug. We're only using evidence gathered from the main scenario and from Nathan Lamont.
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Posted 27 December 2000 - 09:00 PM
I must point out it wasn't a civil war. Here's how it goes:
-Cantharan Order/Star League formed
-Gaitor and Obain go to war over some trivial border dispute
-Obish fleets at the time were just to impress pompous generals and were complete rubbish in battle
-Gaitor is winning
-Salril predicts that if Gaitor wins, it will become an unstoppable power that could overthrow the Star League
-Salril donates Stealth Technology, and convinces Ishima to do likewise
-Ishima, Obain's ally, donates protopulse and photokinetic (mebe repulsor) weapons tech
-Ishima and Salril both let Obain do the fighting
-Obain gains upper hand and eventually beats off Gaitor completely
and...
-Gaitor is severely weakened
-(Boodan war turns Cantharan Order into a military state)
-(Generals put into power during the Boodan War refuse to give up their power)
-The Cantharan Crusades begin
-Ishima and Elejee break their military ties to Cantharis, warn Earth
-Gaitor Subjugated
-Apollo Launched
-Earth Subjugated
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-Cantharan Order/Star League formed
-Gaitor and Obain go to war over some trivial border dispute
-Obish fleets at the time were just to impress pompous generals and were complete rubbish in battle
-Gaitor is winning
-Salril predicts that if Gaitor wins, it will become an unstoppable power that could overthrow the Star League
-Salril donates Stealth Technology, and convinces Ishima to do likewise
-Ishima, Obain's ally, donates protopulse and photokinetic (mebe repulsor) weapons tech
-Ishima and Salril both let Obain do the fighting
-Obain gains upper hand and eventually beats off Gaitor completely
and...
-Gaitor is severely weakened
-(Boodan war turns Cantharan Order into a military state)
-(Generals put into power during the Boodan War refuse to give up their power)
-The Cantharan Crusades begin
-Ishima and Elejee break their military ties to Cantharis, warn Earth
-Gaitor Subjugated
-Apollo Launched
-Earth Subjugated
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Posted 27 December 2000 - 09:14 PM
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Obain only won the Gaitor/Obain war through the extensive use of borrowed technology. The cloaks are Salrilian and the Weapons (except the repulsor) are Ishiman.
Obain only won the Gaitor/Obain war through the extensive use of borrowed technology. The cloaks are Salrilian and the Weapons (except the repulsor) are Ishiman.
It doesn't matter where technology comes from. You can't make people give back an idea, and so the Obish would CONTINUE to have better technology. So if they won before, it stands to reason they could win again (assuming no interferance). As for the battleship, I'd say the corepulses were origional, but the cmissles were add-ons. There's no reason to say it sucked, it was probably constructed after the technology loans when the Obish had corepulses.
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Posted 28 December 2000 - 12:58 AM
*laughs to himself*
You and Slug might need to be separated for a time...
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You and Slug might need to be separated for a time...
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