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After the Gaitori were placed under the boot of the Cantharan Order, they were allowed to CONTINUE to have better technology...... It quickly became obsolete. See my point?

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Yeah, seeing as neither side has made any technological advances since then, but the Gaitori are massive because they are part of the Cantharan Order. They are a lot larger and this time they'd be prepared.

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You have no grounds to say that, but I have the grounds to disagree. In the mission briefing, it says the Obiards only briefly occupied the system. That means it took place either when Obain was losing, or at the end of the war, and seeing as the end of a stellar war always takes place at a homeworld, I must conclude this was before Ishima and Salril intervened.

Back then, the massive and majestic fleets of Obain were merely toys to impress pompous generals. They were utter crap, which is why Gaitor was easily shredding Obain. Ok, now have I enlightened you?

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Never put all your ranking officers in a shuttle.

No, Slug, you have not enlightened me. You have, however, exasperated me.

I'll address you points 1 by 1.

Slug: The tech becomes obsolete.
Me: Yah, but they're both stuck, and the Obish are stuck further ahead. Watch what happens when their respective cruisers fight, or try taking down a Gaitori carrier with an Obish Cruiser. It's not just possible, it's almost easy. Those things are like HVCs, yet are CLASSED AS CRUISERS. They [increadably vulger synonym for "outclass thoroughly"] Gaitori ships.

Slug: The Obish battleship was started at the beginning of the war.
Me: Now you're being foolish. If it was at the beginning of the war, when (you claim) the Gaitori have crap fleets, then they probably couldn't have occupied the system. Furthermore, you overlooked something. It's entirely possible that the Obish blitzkrieged the Gaitori, and signed a peace treaty before they had time to finish their battleship. The disparity in weapondry, as well as the fact that at time the relative numberse were somewhat close, would make this more than possible. The Humans do this in Ares, and the Obish do it in YOUR PLUG.

Have I enlightened you?

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William Darkk, head of the Darkklight Entrepenurial Federation
Your cargo or your life!!!

Well, I think we can that arguing doesn't work well to resolve these types of differences. How about a vote?

I vote the Gaitori could whoop the Obish if they went to war again.

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"Oi, oi, oi, me got a hurt n here
Oi, oi, oi, me smell a ting is near
Me gonna bosh and me gonna nosh
An da hurt'll dissapear"

Votes have no place in logic. 20 stupid people aren't necissarily more correct than 1 smart person. [I am not identifying with either side.]

I will, however, accept a truce. We have no clue about relative #s, which is VERY important.

I'm calling the whole argument a draw for lack of information, and declaring a truce with Slug: from now on, I'm going to disagree by saying "I'm not sure you have the information to make that claim." or similar instead of going all hostile. In return, Slug agrees not to dismiss me out of hand. Do you agree to the terms, Slug?

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William Darkk, head of the Darkklight Entrepenurial Federation
Your cargo or your life!!!

Darkk, you also exhasperate me. Yes, one on one Obish escorts will easily kill Gaitori ships but you fail to take in account the fact that the Obish are the few and the Gaitori are the many. The thousands verses the sentinels: you do the math.

If Gaitor and Obain went to war, Gaitor would easily win because of their
a) massive industrial base
their militaristic devotion
c) their battle strategies
d) sheer weight in numbers
but most importantly:
e) Full support from the Cantharan Order

As for the Obish Battleship, the system was taken from Obain by Gaitor during the war. In the game, the bunkers are still occupied by Gaitori!

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Never put all your ranking officers in a shuttle.

[This message has been edited by Slug (edited 12-29-2000).]

This is silly. None of us can prove this. I'm going to stop reading this now, as you haven't presented any new facts.

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William Darkk, head of the Darkklight Entrepenurial Federation
Your cargo or your life!!!

Wrong Darkk, you can't prove any of your arguments.

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The fact that their ships are so cheap saays that they have mastered mass production.

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The fact that the went back on their treaty on Into the Fire... and turned the system into a fleet stagepoint. Also the movie intro should show something.

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They attack in swarms, then when the enemy is about finished they bring in the big guns. I refer you to While the Iron is Hot, Out of the Frying Pan..., the Part One Intro, and most of the rest of the game....

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This one should be obvious, but if you're Darkkish in your observation skills, I'll point out the most basic and irrefutible proof. In that part of Ares, the Human/Ishiman cooperative merely smashed through the Gaitori border so it could get to the Cantharans. The Gaitori Union was totally caught off guard, seeing as a military movement from the Ishimans was the last thing they expected.

Had they known that Ishima was going to invade their masters, the Cantharans, Gaitor would have faced down and destroyed the Ishiman Protectorate.

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Never put all your ranking officers in a shuttle.

[Hmmp. I try to calm down and you start ranting. Now you're even using my name as a synonym for stupid. Such manners.]

I'm not disputing any of that. I agree the Gaitor are a massive military.

What I don't agree on is that the Obish navy sucks now as much as it did before.

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William Darkk, head of the Darkklight Entrepenurial Federation
Your cargo or your life!!!

I never said that Darkk. Why can't you just admit you're wrong for once?

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Never put all your ranking officers in a shuttle.

Enough. This discussion is bringing out everyone's animal side.

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Never put all your ranking officers in a shuttle.