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#26 Pallas Athene

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Posted 04 April 2002 - 07:27 AM

I'll see about the Website problem...
In the meantime, the Frigate's near-redone, and I'm thinking of adding some tricks to it in-game.

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#27 Fleet Admiral Darkk

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Posted 04 April 2002 - 03:29 PM

I'm going to work on reducing render times, so that sprites can be finished more efficiently.

Don't render, rendering's a bad bitch.

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#28 Pallas Athene

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Posted 04 April 2002 - 08:43 PM

Because of some odd error while trying to access Darkk's iTools Public folder, I was accidentally able to register for iTools. Links have been fixed, and I may put an interim website in there for a while.

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#29 Fleet Admiral Darkk

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Posted 04 April 2002 - 09:36 PM

Goody. I'm gonna hafta work out render-time reducers. 36 hours PER SHIP is totally unacceptable.

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#30 Fleet Admiral Darkk

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Posted 06 April 2002 - 02:04 AM

[Durandal]
I am a an ass indeed, you may prove it by my long ears.
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I'm a fricking moron. I forgot to split my unions! Render speed instantly becomes 2x or maybe 3x.

Say it: "For Darkk's a total moron, which nobody can deny."

Next topic: Sarg, we need to discuss the rest o' the levels/plot.
AIM, because classic won't go online, so no GR Posted Image

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"Imagine a schoolbus full of teenage boys in the sun in the summer with the windows shut and the AC off, all high on PCP."
"You're that psychotic?"
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#31 Pallas Athene

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Posted 06 April 2002 - 06:01 PM

Just spent a night on a Destroyer. No work, of course, but thanks to the information I collected while there, I've started to rethink the armament on UESG ships - I'll have a set that more accurately mirrors modern Naval Warfare soon.

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#32 Fleet Admiral Darkk

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Posted 07 April 2002 - 12:14 AM

By the time I wake up this morning/afternoon, the Worldship render might be done. All that would remain is a nice compositing experience, thanks to the new versions of p2s and GraphicConverter.

I'm going to hate to have to use OS9 for the Hera work.
Ah well, I get to keep it X while the Jjaro ships are rendered (and if I want to re-work the Vylae, which I probably will).

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"You're that psychotic?"
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#33 Jager

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Posted 10 April 2002 - 06:22 PM

Um ya.. Sounds good. I rember reading someting about this at one point... I think. Well anyways I'll beta test it when that comes time. Just email me at stuartjager@yahoo.com and tell me where to get it or send it as an attachment..

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#34 Fleet Admiral Darkk

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Posted 10 April 2002 - 10:35 PM

Update - Jjaro Fighter, Corvette, and Destroyer appear to be done. Yay.

Now comes the Dreadnought/Battleship/Carrier.

Tomorrow I do the EMRS/Warpship/Transport.

3 days later or so I'll work on the Vylae sprites.

BTW Pallas, did you offer to debug/balence my ships too? I'd like that, as it would give me more time for level work.

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"You're that psychotic?"
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#35 Fleet Admiral Darkk

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Posted 12 April 2002 - 07:03 PM

New update - Jjaro EMRS finished, Foldship and Transport renders bad, must redo.
At least they're not taking as long as I'd thought.

Pallas, you've GOT to either send me the updated Nebulon ship graphics (or at least the ones you didn't send in the first place), or take my current set of Nebulon ships (I'll remove the SMIVs to make it easier to d/l) and work with it.

Foldship render first frame done, estimates indicate 11-12 hours total render time.

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"Imagine a schoolbus full of teenage boys in the sun in the summer with the windows shut and the AC off, all high on PCP."
"You're that psychotic?"
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[This message has been edited by Fleet Admiral Darkk (edited 04-12-2002).]

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#36 Pallas Athene

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Posted 12 April 2002 - 08:39 PM

I'll test. I'll send you the Neb graphics. Just as soon as my head realizes 2+2=4 and you tell me what ones you need. Only happens when I'm on the right computer, too.

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#37 Fleet Admiral Darkk

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Posted 13 April 2002 - 03:16 AM

Dang, I'm not quite sure.
I can't start classic to check now, I've got a render running.
I think it was the Dred, Carrier, Station, Transport.

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#38 Sargatanus

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Posted 13 April 2002 - 11:50 AM

Sorry about yesterday; I should know better than to give counsel to internet sympathy hogs. Here's one of my ideas for a net level:

King of the Hill: Real simple-each player starts with a planet with an uninhabited planet in between. This planet produces no resources, but (if hera allows) it generates points or something similar to measure how long a player holds the planet. Whoever holds it longer throughout the match wins.

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#39 Fleet Admiral Darkk

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Posted 13 April 2002 - 05:35 PM

Seems simple enough, I think.
Let me check Hera...
Hmm. Not quite that simple. Although it is possible.

We have 2 conditions that alter the score.
0. If player 0 owns planet 2 incriment score 1 of player 0 and create INVISOPULSEA.
1. If player 1 owns planet 2 incriment score 1 of player 1 and create INVISOPULSEB.

The pulses will have a 1 second lifespan.
INVISOPULSEA expire action: alter condition true yet 0.
INVISOPULSEB expire action: alter condition true yet 1.

Winning will have two conditionals.
2. If counter 1 of player 0 ≥500, win player 0 next level -1.
3. If counter 1 of player 1 ≥500, win player 1 next level -1.

If we wanted to make it harder, condition 0 would decriment player 1's score and condition 1 would decriment player 0's score.

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#40 Fleet Admiral Darkk

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Posted 14 April 2002 - 04:00 PM

Does anyone know if counters can go negative?
If they can't, those decriments could give a player who steals the base at the last second from someone who'd gotten it early in the fight and hung on a fighting chance.

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#41 Fleet Admiral Darkk

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Posted 14 April 2002 - 09:02 PM

Update.
Pallas, here's some more requirements from Sarg on the movies.
They're to be about 23-60 seconds long (tending towards the low range) (except for the final, which we'll both do, I'll do the particles and certain ships, you can do the rest).

Origionally Sarg wanted them 24-40 frames per second. 60 seconds, 30 frames per second results in 3600 frames. I don't want to render that.

Fortunatly, we now only need about 300 frames for most. (Except the final, which I think should be a full 2 minutes).

BTW, leave the power station and maybe the Pfhor station to me, I'll need them for the final movie.

Also, I might do any new planets we would need.

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#42 Pallas Athene

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Posted 15 April 2002 - 06:39 AM

Yesterday I typed up a nice response, but never sent it.

Alternative Hill method: Hill unowned, two new objects.
[S] Active Scorer: Period 20 [ Alter Occupation 1; DO Planet ]
[I] Inactive Scorer: No actions; Placeholder

Initial Objects
Hill [H]
Player 1 [1]
Player 2 [2]
Player 1's Scorer [A]
Player 2's Scorer [B]

### S O Fl Condition Val Actions
000 1 H -- Proximity 250 [ Alter CTY False 001 | Alter CTY False 002 | Alter BaseType B I ]
001 1 H DI Farther . 250 [ Alter CTY False 000 | Alter BaseType A I ]
002 2 H DI Farther . 250 [ Alter BaseType A S ]
003 2 H -- Proximity 250 [ Alter CTY False 004 | Alter CTY False 005 | Alter BaseType A I ]
004 2 H DI Farther . 250 [ Alter CTY False 003 | Alter BaseType B I ]
005 1 H DI Farther . 250 [ Alter BaseType B S ]

I think that's about it.

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#43 Fleet Admiral Darkk

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Posted 15 April 2002 - 02:31 PM

I'm not sure, I think my method might be better if we're doing this fleetwise.
We could do BOTH as different levels, so we have 2 KOTH levels, one with fleets, one without.

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#44 Pallas Athene

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Posted 15 April 2002 - 03:31 PM

I was using Solo... so yes, 2 types.

Also, just some more things to add
P1 Active Scorer: Period 20 [ Alter Occupation 1; DO Planet | Change Score 0 0 1 ]
P2 Active Scorer: Period 20 [ Alter Occupation 1; DO Planet | Change Score 1 0 1 ]

### S O Fl Condition Val Actions
006 - - -- Counter 0 >60 [Change Score 0 0 -60 | Change Score 0 1 1 ]
007 - - -- Counter 1 >60 [Change Score 1 0 -60 | Change Score 1 1 1 ]

This makes it easy to display times in the Mission Status. mm:ss

For yours, do we want some sort of organization, or just A-H-B?
It might be interesting to use a crossfire style:
. A .
B-H-B
. A .

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Posted 16 April 2002 - 06:05 PM

Well it seems M:Inv will be going nova. The folks at Ev-Nova.net have signed on for the Nova portion, and I am in the midst of negotiating for support with multimedia files (sounds, movies, etc.).

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Posted 16 April 2002 - 09:10 PM

Hmm. Good fricking luck to them.
I really think it works better in an Ares format, but I'm ok with that.
I can send some Nova-quality renders of the various ships to them if they want.

BTW, Vylae station is coming online. Nar and Jjaro not far behind.
Do we wanna animate stations or not? Also, how big should they be (pixels)?

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#47 Fleet Admiral Darkk

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Posted 16 April 2002 - 11:05 PM

Vylae Station final model [url="http://"http://homepage.mac.com/w_darkk/.Pictures/VylaeStation.jpg"]http://homepage.mac....ylaeStation.jpg[/url]

Do you think I should animate those two rings, or would that be a waste of space for the extra frames?

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Posted 16 April 2002 - 11:33 PM

I've always had a "the more the merrier" philosophy about this plug, so I'm all for animated rings.

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Posted 17 April 2002 - 02:36 PM

We've only got a limited amount of space to play with.
I'll get my other sprites loaded, then give you an estimate on how much is available. I believe the limit is 80-96 megs, but it's entirely possible we'll hit that.

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"You're that psychotic?"
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#50 Pallas Athene

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Posted 18 April 2002 - 06:39 AM

I believe we should be operating somewhere inbetween 65 and 80 megs. At 65MB, there won't be any way to play without registering.

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