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Pat, why'd you destroy sigmadude?
Hmm. Looks like the Consortium has commited numerous offenses, while the NA has commited none...
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Posted 07 October 2002 - 05:38 PM
Look, just because I have the power to ban you into oblivion doesn't give you the right to hijack this topic. Take any gripes or complaints somewhere else, and try to keep the discussion here on topic.
Is it possible for someone to delete all of those irrelevant posts?
Is it possible for someone to delete all of those irrelevant posts?
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13:10 10/07/02
Rich Destroys Shadow.
17:09 10/07/02
Patrick Destroys sigmadude.
I notice a trend growing about the consortium picking on the UNSET. Perhaps we might be considering siding with the NA after all...
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Patrick Destroys sigmadude.
I notice a trend growing about the consortium picking on the UNSET. Perhaps we might be considering siding with the NA after all...
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Posted 07 October 2002 - 06:10 PM
Wouldn't make for an exciting war (23:10), but oh well. They're certainly asking for it.
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Posted 07 October 2002 - 09:58 PM
Just got an interesting message from Sigmadude (the Consortium pres), appologising for the Consortium attacks. (I think he sent it to all of us). So this puts us in a tight spot: How do we now attack consortium pilots on the smacklist without going to war with them?
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Posted 07 October 2002 - 10:24 PM
Simple: We show that the attacks we make on their pilots were provoked, i.e. we show them the smacklist and appropriate news bit. If they stiil protest then that's roughly equivelant to supporting piracy, which could pit us against them. Unfortunately for them, we have enough sway to severely tip the balance in their squabbles with the NA.
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Posted 08 October 2002 - 02:38 PM
Personally, I think we should void all retributions prior to sigmadude's apology, to demonstrate that "we don't want to go to war." However, when we officially get involved in galactic politics, no one will be surprised if we join the NA.
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Originally posted by Pallas Athene:
Personally, I think we should void all retributions prior to sigmadude's apology, to demonstrate that "we don't want to go to war." However, when we officially get involved in galactic politics, no one will be surprised if we join the NA.
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Personally, I think we should void all retributions prior to sigmadude's apology, to demonstrate that "we don't want to go to war." However, when we officially get involved in galactic politics, no one will be surprised if we join the NA.
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Rich destroys DanMan (10/8/02)
Pallas Athene destroys Rich (10/8/02)
Should we even bother entering that one in?
Grr, I am pissed at the combat system. I had a buzzard with a shield capacitator and it only took 2 heavy rockets to kill me?? Doesn't seem right.
I am kind of mad that the consortium attacked after the appology (especially since it was me!!), so I think we should stand firm on our smacklist and inform Sigmadude that our policy is "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth." I doubt he'll protest much, because he knows he'll be fighting a 2-front war if he provokes us to join the NA.
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Posted 08 October 2002 - 05:13 PM
The only rockets/missiles/torps fired were two Heavy rockets. He may have had other weaponry onboard, but that wouldn't show up on the report.
Judging by this message, I think we have the Consortium very scared. As I said, I think we should offer to void all previous Consortium attacks and preserve our neutrality. It's still in our advantage to remain neutral - if we can secure Turok and Montar and establish defensive fleets, then we should attack. I'd put that at 1-2 weeks away.
However, if any more incidents occur, we're taking them out immediately.
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I have threatened Rich with revoking his Consortium citizenship and hunting him as a political criminal if he does not answer for his attacks. The Consortium does not need another war on our hands, and we wish to maintain our friendship with the UNSET alliance.
I have threatened Rich with revoking his Consortium citizenship and hunting him as a political criminal if he does not answer for his attacks. The Consortium does not need another war on our hands, and we wish to maintain our friendship with the UNSET alliance.
Judging by this message, I think we have the Consortium very scared. As I said, I think we should offer to void all previous Consortium attacks and preserve our neutrality. It's still in our advantage to remain neutral - if we can secure Turok and Montar and establish defensive fleets, then we should attack. I'd put that at 1-2 weeks away.
However, if any more incidents occur, we're taking them out immediately.
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Posted 08 October 2002 - 05:23 PM
I've changed the consortium attacks to "has been voided, don't avenge this," so we can switch them back if the consortium continues to attack us.
[EDIT] More consortium attacks. link attacked MrMellow four times to successfully destroy him. Pallas, I think you should tell sigmadude that five more attacks (or something along those lines) will result in a declaration of war. [/EDIT]
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[EDIT] More consortium attacks. link attacked MrMellow four times to successfully destroy him. Pallas, I think you should tell sigmadude that five more attacks (or something along those lines) will result in a declaration of war. [/EDIT]
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Posted 08 October 2002 - 05:50 PM
link destroys MrMellow, 10/8/02
After chasing 4 jumps, it's pretty clear that link wasn't just targeting "whoever came." I'll send a message to sigmadude informing him that negotiations have been suspended. So we can replace the "do not attack"s with "unavenged."
I think we should let members of the Consortium who haven't committed offenses join us - I'm sure they'll see that they don't stand much of a chance in the upcoming war.
[edit]Message sent. I offered the chance for current Consortium non-offenders to declare allegiance to either the UNSET or the NSF. With luck, by the time we actually start fighting, their numbers will be depleted and we'll be able to take them on without NA assistance.[/edit]
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After chasing 4 jumps, it's pretty clear that link wasn't just targeting "whoever came." I'll send a message to sigmadude informing him that negotiations have been suspended. So we can replace the "do not attack"s with "unavenged."
I think we should let members of the Consortium who haven't committed offenses join us - I'm sure they'll see that they don't stand much of a chance in the upcoming war.
[edit]Message sent. I offered the chance for current Consortium non-offenders to declare allegiance to either the UNSET or the NSF. With luck, by the time we actually start fighting, their numbers will be depleted and we'll be able to take them on without NA assistance.[/edit]
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Posted 09 October 2002 - 06:59 PM
Actually, we should put this to a vote. Cast your vote for:
1) Forgetting the Consortium's offenses
2) Punishing offenses, and declaring war if more are committed
3) Declaring war immediately and destroying them
After thinking, I think 2 is the best course of action. We don't want to be seen as the aggressors, but the war would be beneficial to us. If we can goad them into fighting back, we'll either get 1) Consortium offenders excommunicated [this is the official term now, used by both sigmadude and Shin], or 2) a war where the intelligent members leave, and we only have to fight stupid people.
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1) Forgetting the Consortium's offenses
2) Punishing offenses, and declaring war if more are committed
3) Declaring war immediately and destroying them
After thinking, I think 2 is the best course of action. We don't want to be seen as the aggressors, but the war would be beneficial to us. If we can goad them into fighting back, we'll either get 1) Consortium offenders excommunicated [this is the official term now, used by both sigmadude and Shin], or 2) a war where the intelligent members leave, and we only have to fight stupid people.
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Posted 09 October 2002 - 07:22 PM
purely on the basis of realpolitik, I think it would be in our interest to completely annihilate the Consortium, then follow up by destroying the NA with our planet( and hence cash for fleet) advantage. Of course I'm sure that Consortium defense fleets would "accidentally" suddenly get a massive boost in power thanks to Beef and CheesEv if we were actually on the verge of conquering them.
Still, a war would be fun
Hmm.. but if we defeat the Consortium space forces that leaves us with the N.A. which outnumbers us 2:1...hmm.
Just targeted attacks against offenders I think.
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Still, a war would be fun
Hmm.. but if we defeat the Consortium space forces that leaves us with the N.A. which outnumbers us 2:1...hmm.
Just targeted attacks against offenders I think.
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Posted 09 October 2002 - 07:54 PM
I vote for 2. If they want to ruin our day, its only fair to hit them back.
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Posted 09 October 2002 - 10:59 PM
I vote for 2, but we should hold back on the war unless absolutely necessary.
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Posted 09 October 2002 - 11:31 PM
My vote is for 2. It makes sense and it gives us time to build (fleets).
Not sure if we could do that (just yet), but we might want to think about it, say, next week when we have a slightly larger navy. I figure the consortium navy won't be growing too fast because its tied up in a war with the NA, so we can probably catch up.
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purely on the basis of realpolitik, I think it would be in our interest to completely annihilate the Consortium
purely on the basis of realpolitik, I think it would be in our interest to completely annihilate the Consortium
Not sure if we could do that (just yet), but we might want to think about it, say, next week when we have a slightly larger navy. I figure the consortium navy won't be growing too fast because its tied up in a war with the NA, so we can probably catch up.
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Posted 10 October 2002 - 02:32 PM
I'm going to review this and make a few comments...
[x-y-z] means x avenged attacks, y unavenged attacks, and z voided attacks.
These attacks should definitely be avenged. I have a go-ahead from sigmadude for targeted retribution, so we have a free hand once each. However, Deffdood is MIA, and link was recently killed; Anakerie may be the only target we kill in the near future.
Apparently, the attacks were executed by a friend who didn't know that he shouldn't be targeting us. I think we should release him - he has been punished once already.
Wedge is considering joining the NSF. We should put any retribution against him on hold until after the weekend, when we can know which way he decided.
I've yet to see him make good on his promise. We should put a deadline here - perhaps, 5 days for 1+ retribution, or else his voided attacks become reinstated.
To quote Volkov, "No problem, I'm just going to have to hunt your punk ass down." We're going to have to keep Volkov in check, since he seems to have an intense dislike for the UNSET.
This one isn't really worth going out of our way for. If the opportunity presents itself, then we should avenge it, but colin seems to be a smaller independent, not an official pirate.
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Anakerie (Consortium) [0-1-0]
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deffdood (Consortium) [0-1-0]
These attacks should definitely be avenged. I have a go-ahead from sigmadude for targeted retribution, so we have a free hand once each. However, Deffdood is MIA, and link was recently killed; Anakerie may be the only target we kill in the near future.
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Apparently, the attacks were executed by a friend who didn't know that he shouldn't be targeting us. I think we should release him - he has been punished once already.
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Wedge (Pirate) [1-1-0]
Wedge is considering joining the NSF. We should put any retribution against him on hold until after the weekend, when we can know which way he decided.
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I've yet to see him make good on his promise. We should put a deadline here - perhaps, 5 days for 1+ retribution, or else his voided attacks become reinstated.
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Volkov (Pirate) [1-3-0]
To quote Volkov, "No problem, I'm just going to have to hunt your punk ass down." We're going to have to keep Volkov in check, since he seems to have an intense dislike for the UNSET.
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Colin (Pirate) [0-1-0]
This one isn't really worth going out of our way for. If the opportunity presents itself, then we should avenge it, but colin seems to be a smaller independent, not an official pirate.
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Beef (Pirate) [0-0-2]
I've yet to see him make good on his promise. We should put a deadline here - perhaps, 5 days for 1+ retribution, or else his voided attacks become reinstated.
Beef (Pirate) [0-0-2]
I've yet to see him make good on his promise. We should put a deadline here - perhaps, 5 days for 1+ retribution, or else his voided attacks become reinstated.
I don't think we officially accepted his offer, or that he knows we did, assuming we did. Perhaps you could talk to him to clear up any possible misconceptions.
Also, our 'retal' list is short on possible targets, most of them have either been destroyed recently or have not used their turn yet.
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Posted 11 October 2002 - 10:41 AM
Ahh. I just re-registered for the boards (I used to lurk around the EV boards a while back). In 2-3 turns, I'll probably have a Raptor or a Goliath, so I can start exacting a little revenge on some pirates. But anyways, I was thinking of starting a message board on Bravenet, and then messaging the link to you guys on Hideout. That way we could have a more private board, and be able to openly discuss battle plans and all that good juicy stuff. Lemme know what ya think.
edit: Okay, I've got the forum up. I'm gonna password protect it, but I was wondering if I should give everyone in UNSET access to it, or just the Trustworthy Core Guys™?
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edit: Okay, I've got the forum up. I'm gonna password protect it, but I was wondering if I should give everyone in UNSET access to it, or just the Trustworthy Core Guys™?
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You can mark one of lord_Demonthenes' attacks avenged, Avatara got his revenge.
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UNSET Defense Fleet #1 Destroys lord_Demonthenes.
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