Ambrosia Software Web Board: Weight - Ambrosia Software Web Board

Recently I weighed some Crolna shards to answer a question for Fiery, and that set me off to decide to weigh every item in the game. With the exception of un-weighable items (such as a fishing net or a crate), I have now done this. I'm posting a topic about it because Cythera needs more topics.

Items in Cythera are weighed in "grains." As I understand it, grains were a unit of measurement a long time ago, equal to the approximate mass of one seed of barley or wheat. That would fit the time period that Cythera is set in, but otherwise I can't see a connection. One "grain" in Cythera seems to represent a lot more than a seed of barley. For example, a human corpse weighs 160 grains (perhaps a "grain" is similar to a pound?). Maybe somebody more knowledgeable in history/cultures can explain what exactly the "grains" of measurement used in Cythera are?

The weights of items seem to decide how much can fit in a container, which doesn't seem very realistic, but I'm not complaining.

I weighed most items with a scale, as that's the easiest way I know of. However, the scale did give me inconsistent results sometimes, so I don't completely trust it. Whenever a weight seemed "off" to me (for example, an axe weighing negative thirty-one thousand three hundred thirty-five grains), I'd weigh it again later. Sometimes however, the result that seemed weird persisted. For example, a single arrow (or sling stone) weighs 14 grains. But a stack of 2+ arrows weighs 1 grain per arrow. That doesn't make sense to me. Also, a sack weighs considerably more than a chest.

There are other weird things. A pitcher full of milk or water doesn't weigh any more than an empty one (although pails weigh more when full). A real strange device weighs 4 grains, whereas the edible one weighs only 1. Most books in the game weigh 10 grains, but the Timeflux book weighs 34. Maybe the Timeflux book was intended to be an insufferably long, boring book? A 2-grain spool of thread can produce a 4-grain piece of cloth. A child's corpse weighs the same amount as a grown-up's. A "light" shield is heavier than a full one, though a broken shield weighs almost nothing.

I used Ooshmaster/Wizzy's complete item list, though I did notice that the guard corpse is missing from the list. Hopefully that's the only missing item.

If anyone is curious, unicorn and titan corpses are the heaviest items in the game, weighing 255 grains each. I can post the whole item-weight list if anyone is interested, but I won't waste the space if not.

If you don't post it, this topic will die an even quicker death than it is already likely to.

I'll certainly be interested, when I get around to filling out item pages.

Well I guess I might as well post it. This list is a little messy because I just pasted it from Wizzy's website and then added in the weights when I got around to it. I think I've got it filled out. I kept the bizarre weighs for the axe & longsword because they cracked me up (& frustrated me because the scale kept giving them to me for a long time. I lost count of how many times I weighed those weapons and even tried different savefiles. I didn't bother checking the weights by any other method though, and when I weighed them on the scale the next day, I got more realistic results).

Weapons -

Arrow (1) - 14 grains
Arrow (2) - 2 grains
Arrow (3) - 3 grains
Arrow (4) - 4 grains
Arrow (5-9) - 1 grain each
Arrow (10-19) - 1 grain each
Arrow (20-34) - 1 grain each
Arrow (35 and up) - 1 grain each
Magic Arrow (1) - 1 grain
Magic Arrow (2) - 2 grains
Magic Arrow (3) - 3 grains
Magic Arrow (4) - 4 grains
Magic Arrow (5-9) - 1 grain each
Magic Arrow (10-19) - 1 grain each
Magic Arrow (20-34) - 1 grain each
Magic Arrow (35 and up) - 1 grain each
Bow - 23 grains
Axe - -31335 grains (really 47 grains)
Bomb - 30 grains
Bomb (Lit) - 30 grains
Broken Sword (Short) - 1 grain
Broken Sword (Long) - 1 grain
Cleaver - 2 grains
Club - 15 grains
Dagger - 4 grains
Dagger (Minor Improvement) - 4 grains
Dagger (Some Improvement) - 4 grains
Dagger (Improvement) - 4 grains
Dagger (Major Improvement) - 4 grains
Dagger (Very Major Improvement) - 4 grains
Dagger (Legendary Improvement) - 4 grains
Gauntlets - 10 grains
Mace - 18 grains
Miner's Pick - 24 grains
Mystic Spear - 20 grains
Sling - 19 grains
Sling stone (1) - 14 grains
Sling stone (2) - 2 grains
Sling stone (3) - 3 grains
Sling stone (4) - 4 grains
Sling stone (5-9) - 1 grain each
Sling stone (10-19) - 1 grain each
Sling stone (20-34) - 1 grain each
Sling stone (35 and up) - 1 grain each
Spear - 12 grains
Spikes - 25 grains
Staff - 25 grains
Staff (Out of Uses) - 25 grains
Sword (Short) - 14 grains
Sword (Short - Minor Improvement) - 14 grains
Sword (Short - Some Improvement) - 14 grains
Sword (Short - Improvement) - 14 grains
Sword (Short - Major Improvement) - 14 grains
Sword (Short - Very Major Improvement) - 14 grains
Sword (Short - Legendary Improvement) - 14 grains
Sword (Long) - -32691 grains (really 34 grains)
Sword (Long - Minor Improvement) - 34 grains
Sword (Long - Some Improvement) - 34 grains
Sword (Long - Improvement) - 34 grains
Sword (Long - Major Improvement) - 34 grains
Sword (Long - Very Major Improvement) - 34 grains
Sword (Long - Legendary Improvement) - 34 grains
Sword of Heroes - 20 grains

Armor -

Buckler - 13 grains
Light Shield - 45 grains
Round Shield - 32 grains
Full Shield - 40 grains
Broken Shield - 1 grain
Leather Helmet - 4 grains
Helmet - 10 grains
Full Helmet - 24 grains
Odd Helmet - 18 grains
Mystic Helmet - 24 grains
Cuirass - 37 grains
Metal Breast Plate - 68 grains
Mystic Armor - 75 grains
Cloak - 10 grains
Fur Cloak - 20 grains
Gator Boots - 4 grains
Belt of Strength - 10 grains

Jewelry -

Landking Amulet - 1 grain
Ring (Omen's Ring) - 1 grain
Ring (Theresites' Ring) - 1 grain
Ring (Stronghold Ring) - 1 grain
Ring (Ring of Resistance) - 1 grain
Ring (Atreus' plain Will to Union Ring) - 1 grain

Clothing -

Tunic (Short Sleeved) - 4 grains
Tunic (Sleeveless) - 4 grains
Pants - 4 grains
Kilt - 4 grains
Skirt - 4 grains
Long Dress (White) - 4 grains
Dress (Medium White Toga-Style) - 4 grains
Dress (Medium Yellow Toga-Style) - 4 grains
Dress (Medium Blue) - 4 grains
Dress (Medium Red) - 4 grains
Dress (Small Red) - 4 grains
Cape (Gray) - 10 grains
Cape (Brown) - 10 grains
Sandals - 2 grains
Boots - 3 grains

Furniture and Decorations -

End Table - 74 grains
Chair (Facing Left) - 74 grains
Chair (Facing Right) - 74 grains
Chair (Facing Up) - 74 grains
Chair (Facing Down) - 74 grains
Flowers - 10 grains
Plant - 10 grains
Decorative Axe - 30 grains

Paper -

Paper (Blank) - 1 grain
Paper (Crude Map) - 1 grain
Paper (Letter to Aeacus from Tavara) - 1 grain
Paper (Cademia Treasure Location) - 1 grain
Paper (Kidnapping Letter from "E" to "D") - 1 grain
Paper (Wine contract) - 1 grain
Paper (Omen's test scroll 1) - 1 grain
Paper (Omen's test scroll 2) - 1 grain
Paper (Omen's test scroll 3) - 1 grain
Paper (Omen's test scroll 4) - 1 grain
Paper (Omen's test scroll 5) - 1 grain
Paper (Kesh note from Ruffian Camp) - 1 grain
Paper (Scroll From Berrosus to Alaric) - 1 grain
Map (Omen's Map) - 2 grains
Map (Normal Map of Cythera) - 2 grains
Scroll of Directed Nexus - 1 grain
Scroll of Detect Concealment - 1 grain
Scroll of Detect Traps - 1 grain
Scroll of Vision of the Night - 1 grain
Scroll of Minor Embrightenment - 1 grain
Scroll of Death Strike - 1 grain
Scroll of Remove Mage Lock - 1 grain

Books -

Book (Seldane Ruins of Pynx) - 10 grains
Book (Alaric's Government, an Analysis by Meclemelus) - 10 grains
Book (Alaric, Landking) - 10 grains
Book (Basic Alchemical Potions) - 10 grains
Book (The Artifact Of Pnyx) - 10 grains
Book (Exploration of Seldane Ruins by Timon, red cover, closed) - 10 grains
Book (Exploration of Seldane Ruins by Timon, blue cover, open) - 10 grains
Book (Exploration of Seldane Ruins by Timon, blue cover, closed) - 10 grains
Book (Study of Timeflux) - 34 grains
Sapphire Book of the Crown - 10 grains
Sapphire Book of Wisdom - 10 grains
Sapphire Book of Understanding - 10 grains
Sapphire Book of Mercy - 10 grains
Sapphire Book of Power - 10 grains
Sapphire Book of Beauty - 10 grains
Sapphire Book of Victory - 10 grains
Sapphire Book of Splendor - 10 grains
Sapphire Book of Foundation - 10 grains
Sapphire Book of the Kingdom - 10 grains
Grimoire - 8 grains

Keys -

Key (Iron key, facing left, labeled "B") - 1 grain
Key (Iron key, facing left, labeled "C") - 1 grain
Key (Iron key, facing left, labeled "D") - 1 grain
Key (Iron key, facing left, labeled "E") - 1 grain
Key (Iron key, facing left, labeled "F") - 1 grain
Key (Iron key, facing left, labeled "G") - 1 grain
Key (Iron key, facing right, labeled "B") - 1 grain
Key (Iron key, facing right, labeled "C") - 1 grain
Key (Iron key, facing right, labeled "D") - 1 grain
Key (Iron key, facing right, labeled "F") - 1 grain
Key (Brass key, facing left, labeled "B") - 1 grain
Key (Brass key, facing left, labeled "C") - 1 grain
Key (Brass key, facing left, labeled "D") - 1 grain
Key (Brass key, facing right, labeled "C") - 1 grain
Key (Brass key, facing right, labeled "D") - 1 grain
Key (Brass key, facing right, labeled "E") - 1 grain
Key (Brass key, facing right, labeled "F") - 1 grain
Key (Brass key, facing right, labeled "G") - 1 grain
Key (Brass key, facing right, labeled "H") - 1 grain
Key (Brass key, facing right, labeled "I") - 1 grain
Key (Brass key, facing right, not labeled - sewer key) - 1 grain
Lock Pick - 1 grain
Half Disk (Left Half) - 3 grains
Half Disk (Right Half) - 3 grains
Black Disk - 1 grain
Black Disk - 1 grain
Strange Device - 4 grains

Alchemy, Potions, and Liquids -

Spider Web - 1 grain each
Ruby - 1 grain each
Obsidian - 1 grain each
Peppermint - 1 grain each
Diamond - 1 grain each
Sulfur - 1 grain each
Seed Pod - 1 grain each
Bean 0 1 grain each
Harpy Egg - 15 grains
Kelp - 1 grain
Healing Potion - 1 grain
Mage's Friend Potion - 1 grain
Antidote Potion - 1 grain
Clear Mind Potion - 1 grain
Smith's Friend Potion - 1 grain
Far Sight Potion - 1 grain
Sustenance Potion - 1 grain
Free Motion Potion - 1 grain
Kesh Bottle - 1 grain
Ungent - 4 grains
Strange Staff - 25 grains
Strange Staff (Empty) - 25 grains
Scale - 20 grains
Mortar and Pestle - 5 grains
Hourglass - 3 grains

Cooking and Food-Related -

Rolling Pin - 2 grains
Plate - 2 grains
Dinner Knife - 1 grain
Spoon - 1 grain
Fork - 1 grain
Glass - 2 grains
Pewter Mug- 2 grains
Dough (Not rolled yet) - 1 grain
Dough (Ready to Bake) - 1 grain
Bag of Flour - 100 grains
Butter - 1 grain
Pail - 16 grains
Pail of Milk - 48 grains
Pail of Water - 48 grains
Pitcher (Small, empty) - 10 grains
Pitcher (Small, filled with milk) - 10 grains
Pitcher (Small, filled with water) - 10 grains
Pitcher (Large, empty) - 10 grains
Pitcher (Large, filled with milk) - 10 grains
Pitcher (Large, filled with water) - 10 grains

Food -

Flatbread - 1 grain
Hand-baked Bread - 1 grain
Bread - 1 grain
Cheese - 1 grain
Fish - 1 grain
Fowl - 1 grain
Grapes - 1 grain
Pomegranate - 1 grain
Meat (Ribs) - 1 grain
Meat (Leg) - 1 grain
Steak - 1 grain
Sausage - 1 grain
Kabobs - 1 grain
Meatpie - 1 grain
Mushroom Steak - 1 grain
Edible Strange Device - 1 grain

Containers -

Chest (Open) - 20 grains
Chest (Closed) - 20 grains
Chest (Locked) - 20 grains
Chest (Magically Locked)
Coffer (Open) - 10 grains
Coffer (Closed) - 10 grains
Coffer (Locked) - 10 grains
Coffer (Magically Locked) - 10 grains
Pouch - 2 grains
Sack - 32 grains

Corpses -

Corpse (Ruffian) - 160 grains
Corpse (Guard) - 160 grains
Corpse (Fighter) - 160 grains
Corpse (Beggar) - 160 grains
Corpse (Man, gray clothing) - 160 grains
Corpse (Man, blue clothing) - 160 grains
Corpse (Woman, gray clothing) - 160 grains
Corpse (Woman, purple clothing) - 160 grains
Corpse (Child) - 160 grains
Corpse (Nobleman) - 160 grains
Corpse (Noblewoman) - 160 grains
Corpse (Mage) - 160 grains
Corpse (Magess) - 160 grains
Corpse (Workman) - 160 grains
Corpse (Hunter) - 160 grains
Corpse (Seldane, male) - 160 grains
Corpse (Seldane, female) - 160 grains
Corpse (Magpie) - 160 grains
Corpse (Unicorn) - 255 grains
Corpse (Titan) - 255 grains
Corpse (Wolflizard) - 40 grains
Corpse (Swamp Gator) - 200 grains
Corpse (Giant Crab) - 160 grains

Farming and Weaving -

Hoe - 13 grains
Rake - 13 grains
Scythe - 34 grains
Pitchfork - 16 grains
Flax - 22 grains
Thread (Yellow) - 2 grains
Thread (Blue) - 2 grains
Thread (Green) - 2 grains
Cloth (Red) - 4 grains
Cloth (Blue) - 4 grains
Cloth (Green) - 4 grains

Sources of Light -

Torch - 5 grains each
Lit Torch - 5 grains
Spent Torch - 5 grains
Lamp (Full) - 3 grains
Lamp (Mostly Full) - 3 grains
Lamp (Half Full) - 3 grains
Lamp (Almost Empty)
Lamp (Empty) - 3 grains
Lamp (Lit) - 3 grains
Candle - 2 grains
Candle (Lit) - 2 grains
Candle (Spent) - 2 grains
Candelabra - 2 grains
Candelabra (Lit) - 2 grains
Candelabra (Spent) - 2 grains

Crystal Balls -

Crystal Ball (Green) - 20 grains
Crystal Ball (Blue) - 20 grains
Crystal Ball (Purple) - 20 grains
Crystal Ball (Empty) - 20 grains

Crolna -

Glowing Crystal (First piece) - 1 grains
Glowing Crystal (Second piece) - 1 grain
Glowing Crystal (Third piece) - 1 grain
Glowing Crystal (Fourth Peice) - 1 grain
Glowing Crystal (First two pieces joined) - 1 grain
Glowing Crystal (First three pieces joined) - 1 grain
Glowing Crystal (All four pieces joined) - 1 grain

Miscellaneous -

Oboloi (1) - 1 grain
Oboloi (2) - 2 grains
Oboloi (3) - 3 grains
Oboloi (4) - 4 grains
Oboloi (5-9) - 1 grain each
Oboloi (10-19) - 1 grain each
Oboloi (20-34) - 1 grain each
Oboloi (35 and up) - 1 grain each
Fishing Pole - 3 grains
Fishing Net
Shovel - 18 grains
Rope - 100 grains
Boards - 30 grains
Inkwell - 2 grains
Gavel - 2 grains
Strange Rod - 2 grains
Debris (Type 1) - 20 grains
Debris (Type 2) - 20 grains
Debris (Type 3) - 20 grains
Debris (Type 4) - 20 grains
Hand Mirror - 3 grains
Broken Hand Mirror - 3 grains
Dice - 3 grains
Earthheart Mushroom
Panpipes - 2 grains
Lute - 6 grains
Lyre - 4 grains

It must have been interesting getting the weight of "Bomb (Lit)".

It only takes one turn to weigh an item, and I'm pretty sure it takes several for a bomb to explode (maybe someday I'll count if I remember). I snuffed it out after I weighed it, because I'm boring like that.

Very impressive work, 453 .

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to recall the kesh bottle found in the ruffian encampment being much heavier than all the others in the game?

It acts like it's heavier (as in you can't fit it in most containers and it’s worth 25 inventory), but when you weigh it, the scale says it's 1 grain.

Interesting, that seems to suggest that--for some items anyway--weight is not related to an item's inventory size.

Nice work, BW! I need to add this information to the items page on the Reference Guide. I also need to add the information about hunger and sleeping/regenerating from a couple of other threads. I'll get around to that sometime...

Wizard, you seem to have killed everyone by posting…and I suspect that you still haven't updated your website.