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Posted 06 April 2005 - 04:14 AM

The Real Darth Bob, on Apr 5 2005, 07:59 AM, said:

Because they're closest Anarcho-Socialists like me





Well that depends on what rights and privileges you are actually talking about. If you'd mind elaborating a bit on your post with some specific examples. I could answer.

that shows a comunist symbol, comunism (or at least marxism) is a very society orientated ideal and doesn't really blend with anarchism.
Anarchism is a bit iffy anyway, because you would have to organise a revolution to achieve anarchy: vis your anarchy would by organised and thus not anarchy.

Posted 07 April 2005 - 01:37 AM

The Real Darth Bob, on Apr 5 2005, 06:59 AM, said:

Because they're closest Anarcho-Socialists like me





Well that depends on what rights and privileges you are actually talking about. If you'd mind elaborating a bit on your post with some specific examples. I could answer.

Or you just think that they're anarcho-socialists, but they are really double agents working for the Capitalist Restriction Against Zebra Yielding Signs. Beware of crazy people...

Posted 07 April 2005 - 01:55 AM

ankhwatcher, on Apr 6 2005, 04:14 AM, said:

that shows a comunist symbol, comunism (or at least marxism) is a very society orientated ideal and doesn't really blend with anarchism.
Anarchism is a bit iffy anyway, because you would have to organise a revolution to achieve anarchy: vis your anarchy would by organised and thus not anarchy.

Actually no. There is a movement that I believed originated in the Italian Delegation to the Second Internationale that holds that the only true Marxism is stateless. In addition, Anarchy does not mean the nilhistic chaos that punk music has come to portray it as (although that version of Anarchy actually originated in Russia during the late 19th century). Anarchy simply means the absence of a central state. Society can still have organisation. In Anarcho-Socialism that organisation is of communes of workers controlling each individual factory.

I of coarse do not actually believe this is achievable. I hold it as my ideal and but temper that with a bit of realism as to what is feasible.

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Posted 07 April 2005 - 12:51 PM

The Real Darth Bob, on Apr 7 2005, 06:55 AM, said:

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Yes, the beauty about capitalism is that the government is protected and sustained by people want, desires, and needs, which are focused on a free economy. As long as the government doesn't interfere to often they are not the object of attack.

Posted 07 April 2005 - 04:23 PM

Swithich, on Apr 7 2005, 12:51 PM, said:

Yes, the beauty about capitalism is that the government is protected and sustained by people want, desires, and needs, which are focused on a free economy. As long as the government doesn't interfere to often they are not the object of attack.

Um no. Unlike Socialism Capitalism is not a socio-economic system, it is only an economic one. A capitalist country can be either authoritarian or libertarian in nature (I suppose Socialism can be too, but most socialists I know do not regard Marxist-Leninists/Stalinists as true socialists). A free economy does not always make a free people. Pinochet was a capitalist, as were many other US supported regimes in Latin America during the cold war, but you could hardly call any of them free.

In addition, the Party in the US that claims to be for the Free Market and Freedom, the GOP, has been slowly whittling down actual rights, such as speech, assembly, and freedom from unlawful search and seizure (because of course the "right" to own a gun (which actually does even exist) is more important than that of free speech).

I simply believe that personal freedom and economic freedom are two entirely different creatures. The government should never try to protect me from myself, but should be able to protect people/natural resources/environment from economic exploitation.

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Posted 07 April 2005 - 05:23 PM

The Real Darth Bob, on Apr 7 2005, 10:23 PM, said:

Um no. Unlike Socialism Capitalism is not a socio-economic system, it is only an economic one. A capitalist country can be either authoritarian or libertarian in nature (I suppose Socialism can be too, but most socialists I know do not regard Marxist-Leninists/Stalinists as true socialists). A free economy does not always make a free people. Pinochet was a capitalist, as were many other US supported regimes in Latin America during the cold war, but you could hardly call any of them free.

In addition, the Party in the US that claims to be for the Free Market and Freedom, the GOP, has been slowly whittling down actual rights, such as speech, assembly, and freedom from unlawful search and seizure (because of course the "right" to own a gun (which actually does even exist) is more important than that of free speech).

I simply believe that personal freedom and economic freedom are two entirely different creatures. The government should never try to protect me from myself, but should be able to protect people/natural resources/environment from economic exploitation.

A land where i am not allowed tell somebody what i think, but i can shoot them. I love America. or as the creators of south park put it "America, ###### Yeah!"

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Lektor, on Apr 10 2005, 12:12 AM, said:

His screenname is KitKut, and it wasn't his 'doing'. I think you'll find it was Andrew's decision...

Oops, my mistake.