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Posted 26 December 2004 - 09:22 PM

Happy Boxing Day, everyone!

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In England a long time ago…

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England, apparently a long time ago.

Servants were required to work on Christmas. They were responsible for making the holiday run smoothly for wealthy landowners. They were allowed to take leave on December 26th and visit their families. The employers gave each servant a box containing gifts and bonuses. In addition, around the 800s' churches opened their alms boxes (boxes where people place monetary donations) and distributed the contents to poor.

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England, today. Well, not TODAY today... But today. As in, some day recently. Like yesterday. I guess

Few people have servants but the custom of giving gifts or money to those who provide service continues. It is also popular to visit grandparents and shop (the after Christmas discounts begin). Many people get the day off from work. Watching sports especially horse races is also a popular activity. Boxing Day is also celebrated in places where the English have settled or have influence like Australia, New Zealand, Canada, and Scotland. Some places observe Boxing Day on December 26th and some celebrate it on the first weekday following Christmas, so, if Christmas falls on Friday or Saturday Boxing Day would be on the following Monday.

Now, the actual origin of this holiday is debatable and has been debated, one idea being more popular than the other at a given time.

Of course, the article actually neglects to mention more than one possible origin for the holiday, so some investigative journalism was necessary...

Perhaps the alternative was named for the need to get rid of the wrapping that presents came in at Christmas?


Nope.

But Snopes DID shed some light on viable origins:

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Centuries ago, ordinary members of the merchant class gave boxes of food and fruit to tradespeople and servants the day after Christmas in an ancient form of Yuletide tip. These gifts were an expression of gratitude to those who worked for them, in much the same way that one now tips the paperboy an extra $20 at Christmastime or slips the building's superintendent a bottle of fine whisky. Those long-ago gifts were done up in boxes, hence the day coming to be known as "Boxing Day."


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Christmas celebrations in the old days entailed bringing everyone together from all over a large estate, thus creating one of the rare instances when everyone could be found in one place at one time. This gathering of his extended family, so to speak, presented the lord of the manor with a ready-made opportunity to easily hand out that year's stipend of necessities. Thus, the day after Christmas, after all the partying was over and it was almost time to go back to far-flung homesteads, serfs were presented with their annual allotment of practical goods. Who got what was determined by the status of the worker and his relative family size, with spun cloth, leather goods, durable food supplies, tools, and whatnot being handed out. Under this explanation, there was nothing voluntary about this transaction; the lord of the manor was obligated to supply these goods. The items were chucked into boxes, one box for each family, to make carrying away the results of this annual restocking easier; thus, the day came to be known as "Boxing Day."


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Many years ago, on the day after Christmas, servants in Britain carried boxes to their masters when they arrived for the day's work. It was a tradition that on this day all employers would put coins in the boxes as a special end-of-the-year gift. In a closely-related version of this explanation, apprentices and servants would on that day get to smash open small earthenware boxes left for them by their masters. These boxes would house small sums of money specifically left for them.

This dual-versioned theory melds the two previous ones together into a new form — namely, the employer who was obligated to hand out something on Boxing Day, but this time to recipients who were not working the land for him and thus were not dependent on him for all they wore and ate. The "box" thus becomes something beyond ordinary compensation (in a way goods to landed serfs was not), yet it's also not a gift in that there's nothing voluntary about it. Under this theory, the boxes are an early form of Christmas bonus, something employees see as their entitlement.


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Boxes in churches for seasonal donations to the needy were opened on Christmas Day, and the contents distributed by the clergy the following day. The contents of this alms box originated with the ordinary folks in the parish who were under no direct obligation to provide anything at all and were certainly not tied to the recipients by a employer/employee relationship. In this case, the "box" in "Boxing Day" comes from that one gigantic lockbox the donations were left in.

More elaborate versions of this origin involve boxes kept on sailing ships:

The title has been derived by some, from the box which was kept on board of every vessel that sailed upon a distant voyage, for the reception of donations to the priest — who, in return, was expected to offer masses for the safety of the expedition, to the particular saint having charge of the ship — and above all, of the box. The box was not to be opened until the return of the vessel; and we can conceive that, in cases where the mariners had had a perilous time of it, this casket would be found to enclose a tolerable offering. The mass was at that time called Christmass, and the boxes kept to pay for it were, of course, called Christmass-boxes. The poor, amongst those who had an interest in the fate of these ships, or of those who sailed in them, were in the habit of begging money from the rich, that they might contribute to the mass boxes; and hence the title which has descended to our day, giving to the anniversary of St Stephen's martyrdom the title of Christmas-boxing day, and, by corruption, its present popular one of Boxing Day.


Whichever theory one chooses to back, the one thread common to all is the theme of one-way provision to those not inhabiting the same social level. As mentioned previously, equals exchanged gifts on Christmas Day or before, but lessers (be they tradespeople, employees, servants, serfs, or the generic "poor") received their "boxes" on the day after. It is to be noted that the social superiors did not receive anything back from those they played Lord Bountiful to: a gift in return would have been seen as a presumptuous act of laying claim to equality, the very thing Boxing Day was an entrenched bastion against. Boxing Day was, after all, about preserving class lines.

So basically, no matter the history, this holiday is a very good reason that if you must give a belated Christmas present, do not give it on December 26 or the first weekday after the 25th. To do so would be profoundly unamerican, and I might just have to confiscate the gift. Communists. BAH.
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Posted 26 December 2004 - 09:41 PM

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Posted 26 December 2004 - 10:01 PM

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Posted 26 December 2004 - 10:08 PM

In retrospect, this was perhaps the wrong forum in which to post this.
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Posted 26 December 2004 - 10:17 PM

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Posted 26 December 2004 - 11:28 PM

I didn't read that, I got distracted by a large furry rodent.
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Posted 27 December 2004 - 12:42 AM

WOW! THANKS MR. SHACKELS! TELL ANOTHER ONE! :P
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Posted 27 December 2004 - 12:46 AM

The Journalist, on Dec 26 2004, 10:28 PM, said:

I didn't read that, I got distracted by a large furry rodent.
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Sorry about that, I was just passing through.

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Posted 27 December 2004 - 01:41 AM

lotsofblackflags, on Dec 27 2004, 12:42 AM, said:

WOW! THANKS MR. SHACKELS! TELL ANOTHER ONE!  :P
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Posted 27 December 2004 - 01:48 AM

Pufer, on Dec 26 2004, 10:46 PM, said:

Sorry about that, I was just passing through.

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I knew there was something you weren't telling us...
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Posted 27 December 2004 - 03:45 AM

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Posted 27 December 2004 - 07:13 AM

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Posted 27 December 2004 - 09:03 AM

GandalfDaddy, on Dec 27 2004, 03:45 AM, said:

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It's the former.
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Posted 28 December 2004 - 03:21 AM

Why would anyone care about this holiday?

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Posted 28 December 2004 - 10:35 AM

guardeded_fortress, on Dec 28 2004, 03:21 AM, said:

Why would anyone care about this holiday?
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Your mom had a few good reasons. Last night. In your bed.
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Posted 28 December 2004 - 12:48 PM

guardeded_fortress, on Dec 28 2004, 03:21 AM, said:

Why would anyone care about this holiday?
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Why would anyone care about any holiday? It isn't an American thing, so it is doesn't make as much sense to us. The British however,

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Posted 28 December 2004 - 01:21 PM

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Why would anyone care about any holiday? It isn't an American thing, so it is doesn't make as much sense to us.  The British however,
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One of my favorite things is when a sentence
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Posted 28 December 2004 - 01:59 PM

I agree it is cool when
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Posted 28 December 2004 - 02:55 PM

No it's better when
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Posted 28 December 2004 - 04:59 PM

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Posted 28 December 2004 - 05:32 PM

but not controlled by,

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Posted 28 December 2004 - 05:36 PM

This is more stupid than
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Posted 28 December 2004 - 07:36 PM

Celery.
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Posted 28 December 2004 - 10:46 PM

Ohhh, yeah, this is what I had in mind when I posted this topic. Allow me to go douse my head in gasoline, fetch my lighter,
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Posted 28 December 2004 - 10:57 PM

I think you came here just to get your 7th Blue Box of Power.

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