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#26 User is offline   FlamingGodSmiley 

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Posted 31 October 2003 - 01:35 AM

Although poetic, a wilting flower doesn't seem to fit with the topic. Why is it here exactly?

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Posted 31 October 2003 - 01:37 AM

Exactly what I'd like to know.

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Posted 05 November 2003 - 01:04 AM

I don't get feudalism. I mean, waht prevented massive knight uprisings? Does it seem strange that the people with the weapons had hte least power and land?

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Posted 05 November 2003 - 01:40 AM

Obviously you don't get it.

The knights were the ones with the land. They held the power. There was nothing to rise up against.

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Posted 05 November 2003 - 03:03 AM

The lords owned the land, and when the king called they sent knights who came from the land that the lord owned to fight for the king.

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Posted 05 November 2003 - 09:02 AM

As I understood it, the Lords held the lands. The Knights worked for the lords. The serfs were the lowest, they had pretty much nothing and had to give almost everything they made/grew to the Lords.

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Posted 05 November 2003 - 04:07 PM

I thought the knights were, in many cases, lords. They were given land and control over peasants from the king in exchange for protecting his authority and kingdom. The serfs were poor, tied to land, and worked for whoever owned the land they lived on.

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Posted 05 November 2003 - 07:07 PM

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I thought the knights were, in many cases, lords.  They were given land and control over peasants from the king in exchange for protecting his authority and kingdom.  The serfs were poor, tied to land, and worked for whoever owned the land they lived on.



Yes. Knights were often lords. Don't contradict Avatara, Azzy.

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Posted 05 November 2003 - 07:48 PM

Ok, people, I have Lordship in my family so let me explain this to you:

On the top was the King, then the Pope, bishops and other upper-clergymen. The the princes. Below the princes were the Upper-class Lords (such as Barons, ect.), then middle-class Lords (like Earls, ect.) and then lower-class Lords which largly consisted of Knights, who were granted land (and the Lordship) for their duties. Then peasents and artistians, who were poor and usually had to do manual labor, however they were not tied to the land, like the serfs who were basically slaves of the Lord who owned the land.

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Posted 05 November 2003 - 07:52 PM

The Pope only had power in theory, a lot of kings didn't care too much for the church. Just ask Henry VIII of England.

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Posted 05 November 2003 - 07:54 PM

True, but I'm talking about the theory of Feudalism...

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Posted 06 November 2003 - 12:59 AM

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The Pope only had power in theory, a lot of kings didn't care too much for the church.  Just ask Henry VIII of England.



Henry VIII, hehe, sounds like a real, wholesome, family man.

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Posted 06 November 2003 - 01:47 PM

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The Pope only had power in theory, a lot of kings didn't care too much for the church.  Just ask Henry VIII of England.



Yet in most cases the Pope had more influence on the peasants than anyone else which is why some Kings didn't like the Pope. The Kings' dislike for the Pope typically didn't weaken the Pope's influence no matter what the royalty did. England is certainly the exception, but England was never one of Catholicism's poster-boys (and, for that matter, was never a truly feudal entity) which made it easier for the population to accept ol' King Henry's Anglican Church.

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Posted 06 November 2003 - 10:23 PM

Pufer is the resident "smart person."

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Posted 06 November 2003 - 11:32 PM

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Henry VIII, hehe, sounds like a real, wholesome, family man.



You have no idea how ironic it is you said that.

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Posted 07 November 2003 - 12:36 AM

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Pufer is the resident "smart person."



Thank you madam, I try. Posted Image

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Posted 07 November 2003 - 12:36 AM

I believe that was the point.

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Posted 07 November 2003 - 01:12 AM

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I think she does. I think that was the point. Posted Image

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Posted 07 November 2003 - 01:17 AM

Is there an echo in here?

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Posted 07 November 2003 - 01:28 AM

Is there an echo in here?

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Posted 07 November 2003 - 01:51 AM

Is there an echo in here?

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Posted 07 November 2003 - 04:00 AM

is there and echo in here?

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Posted 07 November 2003 - 11:11 AM

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(This topic is flying toward Locksville at unimaginable speed.)

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Posted 07 November 2003 - 12:20 PM

um...whats with the car

...whats with the car...

...whats with the car...

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Posted 07 November 2003 - 03:59 PM

Is that car stopped? If by "unimaginable speed" you mean no speed at all, that picture seems relevant.

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