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Originally posted by Fleet Admiral Darkk:
Suggest you review chapters 1 and 2. The Gaitori always suck in the game, the only hard data we have. "Nathan Lamont says" and "Nathan Lamont told me" is NOT the same as something we see in the game or a post from AG himself.
Suggest you review chapters 1 and 2. The Gaitori always suck in the game, the only hard data we have. "Nathan Lamont says" and "Nathan Lamont told me" is NOT the same as something we see in the game or a post from AG himself.
Why? I say what he said. I find your attitude most annoying, seeing as I know much much more about the Ares universe than you do and your only retort you can come up with is "'Nathan Lamont Says' is not good enough". It is.
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The Cantharans put the Gaitori under their boot heel only slightly more gently than they did Earth. Only slightly, for they still left them enough military to patrol the boarder. They aren't that advanced at all, Slug. Their shields SUCK, their weapons have squat range, their carriers are total wastes of resources, their HVDs are OK, and the gunships are OK except against the Obish in any kind of mass situation. The gunships do much better (in my experience) against the enemy in 1 on 1 than in big fleet actions.
You are so shallow-minded. In many battles, it isn't advancement or range or any of that crap which makes the difference but tactics. The Obish use terrible tactics, they always have and always will. At one point they needed both Ishima and Salril to intervene on their side to survive the last of the Gaitori/Obish wars. Of course, you also assume that every faction has massibe fleets at it's disposal. The Obish are a peacefull race, like the Ishiman, and Elejee. They only have a hundred or so ships combined. You draw your assumptions of power from outrageous claims other peoples' plugins make.
The truth is you can't make any assumptions about the Obish and use them to argue with me about.
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Add to that that they have no gateship (they have nothing good except 3 guns, don't give me that bs) while the Obish either use the Ishiman one or have one of their own
How many times must I tell you, Darkk? Gateships are not for combat. Whatever they might be armed with is to prevent attackers from attacking with impunity. Whether or not there is a Gateship present should not change the outcome in a battle between two sides. It merely shows the side that brought in the Gateship made a very stupid mistake.
Neither the Obish or Gaitori need Gateships because they inhabit merely a few systems each. If you must challenge this, then allow me to say if they did inhabit tonnes of systems (as you assume every faction does) then they would have played a much more important role in the game.
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and the kewl Obish battleship from Make way being used more, and it becomes a rather close contest even WITH the Gaitori having numerical superiority (I doubt they even have AS MANY ships...)
You have no basis to argue that point. In the game you see Six or Seven combat-capable Obish ships. You see dozens of Gaitori Ships, and as I may point out the various level prologues, those Gaitori ships were only a fraction of what Gaitor controls.
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while the Obish prepaired to fight the Cantharans....).
The Obish didn't even break political ties to Cantharis when the crusades began (Ishima and Elejee did). You think that because the Obish fought (note the past-tense) an ally of Cantharis, that they must surely be fighting Cantharis!
WRONG
If they were fighting (or even preparing to fight) Cantharis, then they would have sent a fleet (which you claim they have) in level 10 to ensure the Cantharans were destroyed. In the game, only a few escorts tagged along because there were some easy kills on the Gaitori Escorts.
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The help given to the Obish was mainly technological, and thus PERMINANT. Intelectual property cannot be withdrawn. The Obish have a tech lead and no serious numerical problems after they, the Cantharans, and the Human/Ishiman cooperative finished beating on the Gaitori.
They didn't "beat on" the Gaitori. As one would note in the prologue to On the Rocks, the "Gaitori threat [was] left behind..." so the cooperative could focus their attentions on Gantharis. The Human/Ishiman Cooperative merely "darted past" the Gaitori who couldn't pursue.
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I'm sure the humans would be willing to cooperate, and a tech exchange could result in some seriously dangerous ships being used by both sides. This refers back to my point about a human gunship firing protopulses instead of magnetopulses at the same rate...
Tech exchange? The UNS has no technology other races would want to echange for...
Ok ok... let's just assume that for some ungodly reason, other races would want to give their tech to humans. It wouldn't work. UNS technology is totally incompatible with other technology.
If it was, the Modified Cruiser in Level 20 would be a human ship, but it's an Ishiman ship. Pure Ishiman design with a few guns from other races (apparently Ishiman, Cantharan, Elejeetian, Obish, and Salrilian tech are compatible with each other, so they can't be compatible with human Technology.)
The best that could happen was that engineers from other races would directly tweak UNS technology (like the Laser turret: The UNS couldn't build one because it is so primitive. The Ishiman had to do it for them as I point out from the mission briefing from level 18), but that's about all that can be done, and the UNS can't count on that again because it was only under war circumstances the Ishiman helped them out. The War is over, so the UNS is on it's own.
Don't panic though, at least UNS technology is compatible with the Grolk. Oh wait-- the Grolk are extict. Never mind.
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