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#1 Sargatanus

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Posted 06 November 2000 - 11:43 PM

So who is everyone voting for (or would vote for)?

Gore?
Bush? (damn well better not)
Nader?
Rob Zombie?

Explain your decision.

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#2 htjyang

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Posted 07 November 2000 - 02:00 AM

I suspect that I'd be the only Bush supporter you're going to see here.

The reason? Well, I support him for the only reason why anyone should support a presidential candidate: He is the best candidate available and he will serve the United States well.

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#3 Sundered Angel

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Posted 07 November 2000 - 02:39 AM

Rob Zombie all the way. Then again, I'm not going to have to live with him, am I?

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Posted 07 November 2000 - 11:04 AM

Gore. I think he's far more "useful".

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#5 Sargatanus

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Posted 07 November 2000 - 05:43 PM

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Originally posted by htjyang:
I suspect that I'd be the only Bush supporter you're going to see here.

The reason? Well, I support him for the only reason why anyone should support a presidential candidate: He is the best candidate available and he will serve the United States well.

Hehe. We could debate this for weeks, but it wouldn't get either of us anything but worn tempers, bloodshot eyes and calloused fingers.

As for me, these were my (feasible) options: A lying wallflower, a lying cocain addict, and a headstrong oddball. Who am I to turn down a fellow oddball? He dosen't have a chance, but my vote is more in protest to the other two.

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#6 Pyro

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Posted 07 November 2000 - 05:46 PM

id have to say gore or nader. But i wont say what i think of bush because it would probably offend alot of people. The main reason i would vote(if i could) would be to vote for the new arena they wnat to construct in houston.

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#7 Mag Steelglass

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Posted 07 November 2000 - 05:56 PM

I can't vote. If I could vote, I wouldn't vote, because it's all up to the electoral college, anyway. Even if it wasn't, my vote is what? 1 in 250 million? I can't really do anything with my vote. Anyway, I really don't want Bush to get ellected, I think Al Gore's ideas are okay, but he's not going to carry through with most of them, and Nader's ideas are great, although he doesn't really have much of a chance, and he wouldn't be able to get anything done, anyway, because everbody in Washington that actually has real power wants to get rich off of the suffering of the environment and others.

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#8 htjyang

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Posted 07 November 2000 - 06:33 PM

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Originally posted by Pyro:
id have to say gore or nader. But i wont say what i think of bush because it would probably offend alot of people. The main reason i would vote(if i could) would be to vote for the new arena they wnat to construct in houston.

Actually, if you look at the posts, you'll realize that you won't offend "a lot of people" considering that I am the only Bush supporter and as for me...

Being a Bush supporter at where I am is not easy considering that none of my friends are for Bush. None. Not a single one.

So as you can imagine, I've heard of every verbal abuse and insult you can possibly imagine. There is nothing you can possibly say on this topic that will be new to me much less offend me.

I'm not interested in preaching to people who refuse to listen. What I'm much more concerned about is what I see as a very interesting mixture of both cynicism and idealism among young people.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong. But I see young people as generally idealistic but also very cynical. Young people seem to have high ideals but don't believe they'll ever be achieved. Tell me, are my observations correct?

I've seen experts suggest that people who don't vote are generally stupid and therefore their opinion is misguided and their lack of participation in democratic politics is a blessing in disguise. Although one might dismiss this as an ivory tower attitude, the fact remains that statistics and studies confirm the idea. Poorer and less well educated people vote in smaller margins than richer and well educated people.

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#9 Slug

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Posted 07 November 2000 - 06:53 PM

I'd go with Nader (go green party!), but noone else is so my vote'd be wasted.

The Oracular net predicts that Bush will win.

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#10 Avatara

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Posted 07 November 2000 - 06:59 PM

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Originally posted by htjyang:
I suspect that I'd be the only Bush supporter you're going to see here.

*Annoying buzzing sound* WRONG!

I'm voting for Bush. I won't state why because I'd end up getting in a debate with both Sargatanus and htjyang (he'd attack my reasons too).

Some of my friends would vote for Bush, simply because they don't think Nader will win.

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#11 Slug

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Posted 07 November 2000 - 09:48 PM

I'd like Nader to be elected, but that's unrealistic.

I'm a Bush supporter.

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#12 Fleet Admiral Darkk

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Posted 07 November 2000 - 11:09 PM

Gore here. Nader's a little crazy, and Bush is the Microsoft candidate.

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#13 Cotton Mouse

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Posted 08 November 2000 - 02:10 PM

Damnit, Slug, quit changing your vote every time you post, you're like NBC lying about florida 3 imes in a row.

I'm not suprised at Htyang or whatever, he strikes me as an untra-conservative pro-life tree burner.

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#14 htjyang

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Posted 08 November 2000 - 04:20 PM

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Originally posted by Cotton Mouse:
I'm not suprised at Htyang or whatever, he strikes me as an untra-conservative pro-life tree burner.

Let's see here:

On the charge of me being an ultra-conservative: I plead guilty.

On the charge of me being pro-life: I plead guilty.

On the charge of me being a tree burner: I plead not guilty.

I've never burned a tree before. And don't tempt me... Posted Image

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#15 Sargatanus

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Posted 08 November 2000 - 04:56 PM

Hmmm... I could see an interesting "issues" debate sprouting up here, but I'm not sure how well that would be recieved by the rest of the members...

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#16 Sargatanus

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Posted 08 November 2000 - 04:59 PM

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Originally posted by Mag Steelglass:
I can't vote. If I could vote, I wouldn't vote, because it's all up to the electoral college, anyway. Even if it wasn't, my vote is what? 1 in 250 million? I can't really do anything with my vote.

After last night, you (and anyone with that same opinion) have no right to say that.

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#17 Avatara

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Posted 08 November 2000 - 05:30 PM

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Originally posted by Sargatanus:
After last night, you (and anyone with that same opinion) have no right to say that.

Actually yeah. In the state I am living in, my vote wouldn't have made a difference. Bush won Colorado by a decent margin. If you live in Flordia however....

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#18 Mag Steelglass

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Posted 08 November 2000 - 05:50 PM

Bah. How's this:

In the average presidential election that runs smoothly, etc., etc., my vote wouldn't do much.

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#19 Sargatanus

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Posted 08 November 2000 - 06:10 PM

Bah. Laziness is no excuse, and that's what you're using. "I don't need to get up and vote because everyone else will do it for me." The problem is that a signifigant portion of the US population thinks the same way. Had every registered voter in your state that didn't pick up a ballot sheet dicided to do so and voted for Gore, it would have been a lanslide for him. People need to think beyond themselves; as part of a community instead of someone whose opinion dosen't matter.

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#20 Sargatanus

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Posted 08 November 2000 - 06:12 PM

[Hehe. Can you tell I'm a socialist? Posted Image

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#21 Fleet Admiral Darkk

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Posted 08 November 2000 - 07:05 PM

Socialism has its ups - and downs. I prefer mixed economy like we have now. Except with more monopoly busting and less idiocy.

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#22 Mag Steelglass

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Posted 08 November 2000 - 07:22 PM

Sargatanus: I'm about the laziest person you'll ever meet (though you'll probably never meet me)

Both Darkk and Sargatanus: I have this big idea for the perfect government and economy, but it'd take a long time to explain in full detail.

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#23 htjyang

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Posted 08 November 2000 - 07:27 PM

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Originally posted by Sargatanus:
Bah. Laziness is no excuse, and that's what you're using. "I don't need to get up and vote because everyone else will do it for me." The problem is that a signifigant portion of the US population thinks the same way. Had every registered voter in your state that didn't pick up a ballot sheet dicided to do so and voted for Gore, it would have been a lanslide for him. People need to think beyond themselves; as part of a community instead of someone whose opinion dosen't matter.

Of course you know how improbable this is. The masses are generally stupid. (Let's not mince words here.) People have been saying the same things you said for who knows how long. But it'll never happen.

Studies suggest that people who are most likely to vote are generally members of the propertied class. Or they are investors. Or they have a high degree of education. It is hardly a coincidence that those who belong to the first two categories tend to be more conservative than the rest. As anyone can see, all three categories are related.

The reverse is also true. Those who are less likely to vote are poorer and less well-educated.

I for one am thankful that this is the case. The very thought of having ignorant people decide the future of this country is scary.

Is this sentiment elitist? Maybe. But I would like to suggest that my concerns are legitimate. Some people tease Bush for being able to name only 1 of the 4 leaders when asked. The problem being, most people can't even answer the question that he answered correctly.

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#24 Slug

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Posted 08 November 2000 - 07:39 PM

But one mustn't forget the seniors -- they vote in record numbers. I'm glad of this because it's usually their wisdom and experience we benefit from, not their senility as most ageists would have you believe.

Basically only the people who care care strongly for the election bother to vote, which can be both good or bad.

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#25 htjyang

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Posted 08 November 2000 - 08:03 PM

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Originally posted by Slug:
But one mustn't forget the seniors -- they vote in record numbers. I'm glad of this because it's usually their wisdom and experience we benefit from, not their senility as most ageists would have you believe.

Basically only the people who care care strongly for the election bother to vote, which can be both good or bad.

I agree with the first point and would just like to add that seniors are not nearly as financially strapped as the Democrats would like to have us believe. According to AARP's own research, the living standard of seniors have risen significantly over the past few decades. The prescription drug issue only applies to one-third of all seniors.

When we consider the above, it is not difficult to understand why the senior vote is about evenly split between the Republicans and Democrats.

I'm not sure I can agree with the second point. People who are truly interested in elections usually are better informed than most. I don't see how that is a bad thing.

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