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I haven't finished the game even once but was wondering if it was possible to finish the game without stealing anything or using magic in a way it shouldn't be (the "fetch" bug). Even harder, is it possible to finish without using magic at all?
My main concern is stealing keys at the moment but I'm sure other things will come up.
No spoilers necessary (and moving things before you pick them up isn't what I mean) but I was just wondering if it can be done.
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Posted 06 August 2002 - 10:48 PM
Its amazing how "tsk, tsik, nik" can mean anything from "There's a bomb in the bus, get help!" to "I'm hungry, feed me"
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Posted 07 August 2002 - 12:56 AM
Yes, it is possible to finish without cheating. I completed the whole game before I'd even heard of the Fetch bug. As to finishing without using magic, I suppose it's possible - if you don't count using the Crolna, since that's absolutely vital. It would just make it a lot harder. 
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Posted 07 August 2002 - 08:59 AM
You're a good Samaritan cache, a Kiwi helping an Aussie. Very kind of you 
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Posted 07 August 2002 - 02:18 PM
Anzac solidarity. As long as no-one mentions sport, we get along just fine, thankyou.
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Posted 07 August 2002 - 02:34 PM
Hmm...on the outside they all pretend to be good sports...
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Posted 07 August 2002 - 06:35 PM
The answer is much appreciated.
As far as sport goes - we take no prisoner's when we play each other. But to the rest of the world we present a united face. After all we claim many of NZs greatest exports as our own, Crowded House and Sam Neil to name a few (but they can keep the sheep).
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Its amazing how "tsk, tsik, nik" can mean anything from "There's a bomb in the bus, get help!" to "I'm hungry, feed me"
In case of ambiguity about anything I say - choose the nicest interpretation.
As far as sport goes - we take no prisoner's when we play each other. But to the rest of the world we present a united face. After all we claim many of NZs greatest exports as our own, Crowded House and Sam Neil to name a few (but they can keep the sheep).
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Its amazing how "tsk, tsik, nik" can mean anything from "There's a bomb in the bus, get help!" to "I'm hungry, feed me"
In case of ambiguity about anything I say - choose the nicest interpretation.
Its amazing how "tsk, tsik, nik" can mean anything from "There's a bomb in the bus, get help!" to "I'm hungry, feed me"
In case of ambiguity about anything I say - choose the nicest interpretation.
In case of ambiguity about anything I say - choose the nicest interpretation.
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Posted 07 August 2002 - 07:55 PM
LotR was filmed in New Zealand...what does that tell you?
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Posted 07 August 2002 - 08:41 PM
Awww, come on, sheep are great. Ignorant masses that blindly follow…now who does that remind me of…
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Posted 07 August 2002 - 09:59 PM
Change that to, 'Fuzzy white ignorant masses that blindly follow.' May help avoid some confusion.
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Posted 07 August 2002 - 10:20 PM
Wait, so Kiwi's are white and fuzzy? (not to be confused with the brown fuzzy fruit variety)
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Posted 07 August 2002 - 11:05 PM
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Wait, so Kiwi's are white and fuzzy? (not to be confused with the brown fuzzy fruit variety)
Wait, so Kiwi's are white and fuzzy? (not to be confused with the brown fuzzy fruit variety)
What type of kiwi are you referring to? Both the bird and the fruit were brown and fuzzy. (I'm going on the fact that the people aren't brown and fuzzy too.
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Posted 07 August 2002 - 11:12 PM
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I'm going on the fact that the people aren't brown and fuzzy too
I'm going on the fact that the people aren't brown and fuzzy too
Actually, some of them are.
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Posted 07 August 2002 - 11:17 PM
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(I'm going on the fact that the people aren't brown and fuzzy too.)
(I'm going on the fact that the people aren't brown and fuzzy too.
)Precisely, they're *white* and fuzzy.
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Posted 08 August 2002 - 12:44 AM
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Precisely, they're *white* and fuzzy.
Precisely, they're *white* and fuzzy.
Kiwis are sheep?
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Posted 08 August 2002 - 08:52 AM
No, a Kiwi is:
(1) A fruit (Properly the 'kiwifruit')
(2) A flightless bird that is the nation bird of New Zealand
(3) A Human New Zealander
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(1) A fruit (Properly the 'kiwifruit')
(2) A flightless bird that is the nation bird of New Zealand
(3) A Human New Zealander
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Posted 08 August 2002 - 09:00 AM
*cache blearily blinks his eyes at 2:00 am, and wonders what the fuss is all about*
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Posted 08 August 2002 - 12:34 PM
Bah, nobody can get any sleep around here with that baaing racket going on outside.
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Heheh, one time cache had been absent for some reason or another and Ody and I speculated that the sheep had revolted and cache was busy defending the citizens of Dunedin from the fuzzy horde of rebels.
Don't sheep outnumber people on the south island by like 10 to 1? When you think about it, when a privleged minority (people) are opressing the majority (sheep), a revolt is boun dot happen. I hope the sheep treat their former opressors well when they rebel...
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Don't sheep outnumber people on the south island by like 10 to 1? When you think about it, when a privleged minority (people) are opressing the majority (sheep), a revolt is boun dot happen. I hope the sheep treat their former opressors well when they rebel...
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Don't sheep outnumber people on the south island by like 10 to 1? When you think about it, when a privleged minority (people) are opressing the majority (sheep), a revolt is boun dot happen. I hope the sheep treat their former opressors well when they rebel...
Don't sheep outnumber people on the south island by like 10 to 1? When you think about it, when a privleged minority (people) are opressing the majority (sheep), a revolt is boun dot happen. I hope the sheep treat their former opressors well when they rebel...
Hmm...I think I finally figured out what cache meant by his location: The land of the long white cloud, its referring to all the sheep.
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Posted 08 August 2002 - 03:19 PM
I wonder if anyone can juggle sheep…
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Posted 08 August 2002 - 04:35 PM
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Posted 08 August 2002 - 05:26 PM
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You started it.
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You started it.
You started it.
I just gave cache a complement...
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Posted 08 August 2002 - 05:58 PM
...about his extraordinary sheep-handling skills.
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Posted 08 August 2002 - 06:14 PM
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Hmm...I think I finally figured out what cache meant by his location: The land of the long white cloud, its referring to all the sheep.
Hmm...I think I finally figured out what cache meant by his location: The land of the long white cloud, its referring to all the sheep.
Nope, it's the English translation of 'Aotearoa', the Maori name for New Zealand.
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