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So anyways I've had this great philosophy developing in my head all my life, slowly working out details, beliefs etc. If there's one thing I learned this year its that my philosophy's name is Existentialism, it already exists, and I have very little to add to it... damnit. So I'm Existentialist now, and not at all orginal apparently.
Yes you have permission to laugh at me...
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Posted 18 December 2002 - 12:01 AM
You'd be better off claiming that you live by your own beliefs.
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edit- that would make a great quote of the week
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edit- that would make a great quote of the week
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Posted 18 December 2002 - 06:01 AM
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Explain existentialism.
Explain existentialism.
Indeed. And not just the "life is meaningless, death is oblivion" mantra, which everyone knows.
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Posted 18 December 2002 - 02:59 PM
Bleh, my hate for existentialists knows no bounds.
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Posted 18 December 2002 - 11:01 PM
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Indeed. And not just the "life is meaningless, death is oblivion" mantra, which everyone knows.
Indeed. And not just the "life is meaningless, death is oblivion" mantra, which everyone knows.
eh? This is... not what I would call existentialism at all...
because I am EXTREMELY lazy, here's a link, its not hard reading, the first 4 paragraphs sums it up. [url="http://"http://www.connect.net/ron/exist.html"]http://www.connect.net/ron/exist.html[/url]
read up...
dude3: See thats the whole point. I am living by my own beliefs, its just apparently... my own beliefs happen to be the same as many recent philosophers.
Avatara: Oh? Why? Or are you just saying that?
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Posted 19 December 2002 - 05:33 AM
It's rooted in the whole "angst" business. The atheistic slant of Existentialism often holds that life is meaningless, and nothing lies beyond death. Examples of this kind of attitude are prevalent in works like Waiting for Godot and Rosencrantz and Guildensturn are Dead. Existentialism isn't really the happiest of philosophies, overall.
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Posted 19 December 2002 - 02:19 PM
I've had similar experiences. It is very odd to develop a set of beliefs and then find someone or something in which they developed independently at a different time.
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Posted 19 December 2002 - 06:15 PM
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It's rooted in the whole "angst" business. The atheistic slant of Existentialism often holds that life is meaningless, and nothing lies beyond death. Examples of this kind of attitude are prevalent in works like Waiting for Godot and Rosencrantz and Guildensturn are Dead. Existentialism isn't really the happiest of philosophies, overall.
It's rooted in the whole "angst" business. The atheistic slant of Existentialism often holds that life is meaningless, and nothing lies beyond death. Examples of this kind of attitude are prevalent in works like Waiting for Godot and Rosencrantz and Guildensturn are Dead. Existentialism isn't really the happiest of philosophies, overall.
Yes, existentialism isn't a particurally happy philosophy but it has more to do with the belief in the absurd and ultimate choice rather than nothing existing after death, note that there are two existentialist philosophies the atheistic (life is meaningless-most vocal proponents being Camus amongst others) and Christian (life after death most certainly exists with god-led by Kierkegaard etc.). I'm assuming that Pyro is an Atheistic Existentialist but existential thinkers should specify which branch of the philosophy they follow.
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Posted 19 December 2002 - 10:24 PM
existentialism doesn't explain science of anything, it's just a philosophy to help certain individuals. What is it's result? 1) the individual believes in the freedom of his own actions (highly erroneous, unfortunately), 2) the individual believes in selfishness under Nietsche and other 'extremist' existentialists. 3) The individual believes in forcing themselves to become an idiot savant and conveniently occupy a creche in society.
One might also say it's depressing. But I think that's good, because depressing usually means = pragmatical.
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One might also say it's depressing. But I think that's good, because depressing usually means = pragmatical.
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Posted 20 December 2002 - 12:59 AM
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It's rooted in the whole "angst" business. The atheistic slant of Existentialism often holds that life is meaningless, and nothing lies beyond death. Examples of this kind of attitude are prevalent in works like Waiting for Godot and Rosencrantz and Guildensturn are Dead. Existentialism isn't really the happiest of philosophies, overall.
It's rooted in the whole "angst" business. The atheistic slant of Existentialism often holds that life is meaningless, and nothing lies beyond death. Examples of this kind of attitude are prevalent in works like Waiting for Godot and Rosencrantz and Guildensturn are Dead. Existentialism isn't really the happiest of philosophies, overall.
Meh. I could care less of Sartre's comments of life being meaningless. It seems that the very philosophy of existentialism and the forced choice gives life an automatic meaning. I will not specify a branch of existentialism because I dont fully agree with either branch. I'll have to go out one day and get a book on it all so I can see how they prove some of the stuff they are saying.
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Posted 21 December 2002 - 12:09 AM
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Meh. I could care less of Sartre's comments of life being meaningless. It seems that the very philosophy of existentialism and the forced choice gives life an automatic meaning. I will not specify a branch of existentialism because I dont fully agree with either branch. I'll have to go out one day and get a book on it all so I can see how they prove some of the stuff they are saying.
Meh. I could care less of Sartre's comments of life being meaningless. It seems that the very philosophy of existentialism and the forced choice gives life an automatic meaning. I will not specify a branch of existentialism because I dont fully agree with either branch. I'll have to go out one day and get a book on it all so I can see how they prove some of the stuff they are saying.
how does this all fit into your quote. 'We are condemned to be free.' When your quote seems to be against freedom.
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Posted 21 December 2002 - 10:01 PM
On the contrary, Im not -condemning freedom-. The quote* states that Freedom condemns us [to chose]. Its stating that we are free whether we choose to be or not. An evil of existentialism is to act in bad faith. Bad faith is to believe that one does not have a say in his actions. For example: For somebody to do something because -they have to- is acting in bad faith. That person should do or not do that thing because of what they believe, not because they are forced to do it. I hope this makes sense, its kind of abstract.
*I dont remember who said this, thats why no name is behind it.
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Posted 21 December 2002 - 10:06 PM
I don't believe people have much of a say in their actions. It's only luck that you have the birth to contest a certain decision about your faith, if you do.
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Posted 22 December 2002 - 02:55 AM
Fate is too specific. Let me just say I believe that circumstances in your life can make your chances in regards to say, taking drugs considerably higher. If it can impact free will at all, it can impact free will to an absolute. And people who have had cases where free will was affected at all, and made a decision they would not ordinarily have made should free will be in full swing, are the most unfortunate in this life.
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Posted 23 December 2002 - 08:56 AM
Bunch o' psychos those existentialists...
Read Jean Paul Sartre to find out all about existentialism. He was its most famous exponent.
As to it as a philosophy, It seeme to me that it's a fairly miserable life plan, for people who are determined not to have a good time no matter what!
I hope to meet you in battle on GR someday, with an existentialist philosophy your fleet should be relatively easy to rout once it's morale collapses, heh.
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Read Jean Paul Sartre to find out all about existentialism. He was its most famous exponent.
As to it as a philosophy, It seeme to me that it's a fairly miserable life plan, for people who are determined not to have a good time no matter what!
I hope to meet you in battle on GR someday, with an existentialist philosophy your fleet should be relatively easy to rout once it's morale collapses, heh.
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Oh, so it is another bug hunt then...
Oh, so it is another bug hunt then...
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Posted 24 December 2002 - 12:12 AM
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As to it as a philosophy, It seeme to me that it's a fairly miserable life plan, for people who are determined not to have a good time no matter what!
As to it as a philosophy, It seeme to me that it's a fairly miserable life plan, for people who are determined not to have a good time no matter what!
"By all means marry. If you get a good wife then you will be happy. If you get a bad wife, then you should be a philosopher, and that is a good thing for any man."
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Not exact, but close enough for the point.
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I hope to meet you in battle on GR someday, with an existentialist philosophy your fleet should be relatively easy to rout once it's morale collapses, heh.
I hope to meet you in battle on GR someday, with an existentialist philosophy your fleet should be relatively easy to rout once it's morale collapses, heh.
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