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Ignore the entity known as 8 Lightnings. Believe no more of its lies. [almost a Cortana quote]

Durandal wasn't looking for the S'pht homeworld at the end of Infinity (he was looking for it at the end of the origional). He was looking for the Jjaro. He found them sometime between then and 10000 years later.

As for the Trith Xem, you're right in part. The Pfhor carry them on their dreadnaughts, and I'm pretty sure they only carry 2 each. The Jjaro probably think lightly of weapons that powerful, being near-gods, and have them on all ships large enough to mount them that have big guns (I'd imagine even Jjaro colony ships have rather heavy guns). Besides, these are Trith Xems fired at things that aren't stars. The weapons would simply convert large amounts of matter into plasma, causing insane quantities of damage, their best attribute their insane ranges (they can go from outer planets to the star without fail). Read the Jedi Academy Trilogy for a discussion/explanation of star-destroying projectiles.

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William Darkk, head of the Darkklight Entrepenurial Federation
"Strategic warfare" is code for "killing civilians", and it's my calling. Yeah, it's barbaric. War's supposed to be.

[This message has been edited by Fleet Admiral Darkk (edited 01-12-2001).]

No, no, no! He wasn't looking for Lh'owon at the end of Infinity, he was looking for a NEW homeworld for the S'pht, who were missing one now that everyone in the Lh'owon system was getting a vicious tan!

And, how can a Trih Xeem be fired at an object other than a sun?! It translates directly as 'Early Nova'!

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Oh, and Durandal, as I stated in my editing in my post above, merged with S'boath, the Jjaro AI, not Thoth, who was S'pht. I like the plot, but I don't want to muck it up...

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Already done. It didn't do much to Death Star 3, it was mostly designed to destroy stars...

All it did was take out a little superstructure. I suppose you could use it as a long-range torpedo, but a station destroyer?!

The Pfhor should have space-to-planet nukes, too. Tau Ceti was nuked to bedrock... Somewhere in the course of seventeen years.

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Subcommander g'Var "8 Lightnings" Krai'un
Second in command of the Escort Starbeam.
"CRUISER DESTROYED. 91 remaining" -Ares, chapter 9, Hand Over Fist

[This message has been edited by 8 Lightnings (edited 01-12-2001).]

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Sure. I just did that thing from memory of what it approximately looked like. As soon as I'm able to, I'll add a couple metaballs for engines, etc.

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-Pallas Athene of Dysian Beta, Obish Consensus Representative
-Nieru Dast, {M}ilitia Aeriane
-Danae Vernius
"Cheaters don't really win, and winners don't really cheat. Unless you're talking politics." -Durandal

Well, if Pallas wants to make them the anti-planet weapon, they should be on most Jjaro ships. If Pallas sticks to nukes, you should never see an actual Trith Xem, unless you're trying to intercept it.

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William Darkk, head of the Darkklight Entrepenurial Federation
"Strategic warfare" is code for "killing civilians", and it's my calling. Yeah, it's barbaric. War's supposed to be.

There you have it... after an extensive chat on GR, Darkk and I came to the conclusion that Durandal merged with someone!

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Subcommander g'Var "8 Lightnings" Krai'un
Second in command of the Escort Starbeam.
"CRUISER DESTROYED. 91 remaining" -Ares, chapter 9, Hand Over Fist

Alright! As far as I'm concerned, this thing is a DEFFINATE go. I'd like to see this thing pass the 50 mark for missions (with our collective imaginations, that shouldn't be too difficult). Let me run this through the rest of the crew at ASI.

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Throughout their history these "unenlightened" beings have continually opposed and fought abuses of power wrought by their own bretheren. We, as the prophets would do well to learn from these Humans.
-Final statement of the Salrilian reformist Sirthis shortly before his execution.

if we do this darkk probably needs to learn how to use hera well(aka: read the manual). Perhaps a meeting on GR about this could clear up some of the arguments. Ill help with the plug, though i know nothing of marathon so id be pushed down to making missions or weapons that ppl give me descriptions of first.

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just take my post, and imagine everything is speeled right.
nickel count: 8

Hehe, Pyro.

I'm doing more work with Hera (I understand actions, subject/direct objects, and counters now), and will do more until later this evening, and maybe more throughout the remaining portion of my 4-day weekend.

I didn't, however, plan to be a major Hera-worker, I planned more on being a sprite guy and consultant. If you think I should do more grunt work, I'll practice day and night until I can become very good. I'll start work on the Jjaro ships as soon as we can agree on what they look like (I say they look spindly and have large numbers of very thin sections) and I finish my current model.

Oh, 2 more things:
1) What should the human ships look like? We could cheat and use the ones already in Ares, as they rather look like the way I picture the human ships in Marathon.
2) Will we be able copyright-wise to use the Marathon sound effects? Many other Marathon TCs like the UT ones are using them...

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William Darkk, head of the Darkklight Entrepenurial Federation
"Strategic warfare" is code for "killing civilians", and it's my calling. Yeah, it's barbaric. War's supposed to be.

[This message has been edited by Fleet Admiral Darkk (edited 01-13-2001).]

I've already got a design in mind for the UESC ships- I remember seeing one in some addon (I don't know which), and I liked the diesign, and modeled the UESC designs after them.

I'll scan my fighter design. In a minute.

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-Pallas Athene of Dysian Beta, Obish Consensus Representative
-Nieru Dast, {M}ilitia Aeriane
-Danae Vernius
"Cheaters don't really win, and winners don't really cheat. Unless you're talking politics." -Durandal

[url="http://"http://caalaklael.tripod.com/uescftr.jpg"]http://caalaklael.tr...com/uescftr.jpg[/url]

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-Pallas Athene of Dysian Beta, Obish Consensus Representative
-Nieru Dast, {M}ilitia Aeriane
-Danae Vernius
"Cheaters don't really win, and winners don't really cheat. Unless you're talking politics." -Durandal

Hmm... Too boxy.

I actually visualized UESC/G ships as similar to the UNS ones, but closer to Ishiman. The weapons still wouldn't be that great, though.

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Throughout their history these "unenlightened" beings have continually opposed and fought abuses of power wrought by their own bretheren. We, as the prophets would do well to learn from these Humans.
-Final statement of the Salrilian reformist Sirthis shortly before his execution.

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I can do grunt work, I think i know enough hera to do that (the reason i havent released a plug is cause i always come across bugs in hera )

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just take my post, and imagine everything is speeled right.
nickel count: 8

Really? The UNS ships look a little … sophisticated … for what I would of thought of them as. I like the box design because it suggests their technological inferiority, and it also looks a little streamlined. Essentially, it's an evolved aircraft, but since it flies in space, it doesn't have wings and boxes out to maximize space because of the lack of friction.

And I've been at work a bit too.
[url="http://"http://caalaklael.tripod.com/uesc_3d_ftr.jpg"]http://caalaklael.tr...uesc_3d_ftr.jpg[/url]

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-Pallas Athene of Dysian Beta, Obish Consensus Representative
-Nieru Dast, {M}ilitia Aeriane
-Danae Vernius
"Cheaters don't really win, and winners don't really cheat. Unless you're talking politics." -Durandal

This is a bit closer to the one in the manual.

[url="http://"http://caalaklael.tripod.com/pfhor_corvette_2.jpg"]http://caalaklael.tr..._corvette_2.jpg[/url]

Also, here is a sample opening screen and a manual cover, respectively.

[url="http://"http://caalaklael.tripod.com/marathon_opening.jpg"]caalaklael.tripod.com/marathon_opening.jpg[/url]
[url="http://"http://caalaklael.tripod.com/martitle.jpg"]caalaklael.tripod.com/martitle.jpg[/url]

The former isn't working right now. Unless you read this within the next 10 minutes or so, it won't be a problem.

--Still having trouble.
--Option clicking on this should download the pict.
-- [url="http://"http://caalaklael.tripod.com/marathon_opening.pct"]caalaklael.tripod.com/marathon_opening.pct[/url]

----I said should. I'll figure out some other way.

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-Pallas Athene of Dysian Beta, Obish Consensus Representative
-Nieru Dast, {M}ilitia Aeriane
-Danae Vernius
"Cheaters don't really win, and winners don't really cheat. Unless you're talking politics." -Durandal

[This message has been edited by Pallas Athene (edited 01-13-2001).]

I thought the ship in the first game was the corvette. The one you're showing (from the M2 manual) I believe is a battle cruiser.

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Throughout their history these "unenlightened" beings have continually opposed and fought abuses of power wrought by their own bretheren. We, as the prophets would do well to learn from these Humans.
-Final statement of the Salrilian reformist Sirthis shortly before his execution.

I suppose that could be correct- I had always assumed that it was showing Durandal's ship, the Sfiera/Boomer. I suppose that it could have been the Battlegroup Three Flagship. But does anyone have any comments on the title?

Back to arguing: Maybe BOBs and Fighters shouldn't capture a ship, but Marines definitely should. Otherwise there would be no way that either the Sfiera or the Kfhiva would have been captured. (I think) The first is a pivotal point, the second somewhat important as well.

Let's assume (or at least not mention any contrary information) that the Nar don't use coal, just a very polluting source. With a periodic action, we could have it spew clouds of back smoke out of the rear. I'll be having some fun with those.

Also, what color scheme should the S'pht'Kr follow? I would be inclined towards the blue defender, but the Defender also comes in bright red- that is another valid color. If anyone has any opinions, please reply.

A request for anyone interested in working on the plugin: Please post whichever races you would be interested in doing. If multiple people do the ships, then the races will be even more polar opposites. Also, when finished with the ship pictures, each player should insert the weapons, except teleporters. I'll do those myself.
I'm already working on the Pfhor (2 Ships) and the UESC (1 Ship)
Darkk's doing the Jjaro.

But we still need Nebulons, Nar, and S'pht'Kr. Probably Darkk should take another, and the other two go to a third member (codename: Tycho)

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-Pallas Athene of Dysian Beta, Obish Consensus Representative
-Nieru Dast, {M}ilitia Aeriane
-Danae Vernius
"Cheaters don't really win, and winners don't really cheat. Unless you're talking politics." -Durandal

I really do want to help with this; despite that I live in another timezone, etc., it would be nice to have something to do with my time...

Even if it does mean being called Tycho.

I should like to do the S'pht'Kr; I have a couple of ideas about them... Has anyone considered the number of vacuum-enabled characters in this game? EVA should be very easy...

Nar or Nebulons... that is the question...

As for S'pht'Kr ships, I think we should have a space-capable Defender, and beyond that the ship classes would be similar to the others, although with different names; more passive, as the name 'Defender' would suggest. Anyway, that's what I want to do.

This should be real good...

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Subcommander g'Var "8 Lightnings" Krai'un
Second in command of the Escort Starbeam.
"CRUISER DESTROYED. 91 remaining" -Ares, chapter 9, Hand Over Fist

Remember, BTW, that not all UESC/G colony ships are like the Marathon, which was made from Deimos. We don't need to make ships that big... In fact, should colony ships be primary vehicles...?

Has Slug seen this at all? I would've thought that he'd want to help... he seems like a Marathon person... Oh wait, he's a little...busy, isn't he?

As for the S'pht'Kr colour scheme: we know that they fire green bolts, and use green for engines and weapon ports, so that's another colour. The Defender is the Elite Guard, too, so we don't know that blue and red are all we get, but I'll go with them, I think. Maybe have fighter and interceptor classes, which are basically the same, but one is slightly faster, more maneuverable and has slightly better weapons, and comes in red.

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Subcommander g'Var "8 Lightnings" Krai'un
Second in command of the Escort Starbeam.
"CRUISER DESTROYED. 91 remaining" -Ares, chapter 9, Hand Over Fist

[This message has been edited by 8 Lightnings (edited 01-14-2001).]

It's just that my personality equates to Leela's, and Darkk's equates to Durandal. What does that leave?

8: If you do decide to do the S'pht'Kr, then remember to equate the ship classes approximately to the existing ship classes: Fighter, Corvette, Destroyer, Battleship, Dreadnought, Assault Carrier, Colony Ship.

Fighter to Dreadnought should be basic combat ships, increasing in size. Assault Carrier should be large and have decreased weapons for troopers and elite. Colony ships have very little except for their ability to create a colony.
Actually, I was thinking: It would be natural, given our Ares experience, to assume that the fighter bay is on the Dreadnought. But actually, the only Dreadnought we know of was the Manus Celer Dei. The Pfhor would undoubtedly have chosen a more common ship (a battleship?) to put their fighters on. It could have also been the Assault Carrier, but we've taken the Assault Carrier to be more of an Assault Transport than a Carrier. However, there's no reason it can't be both, as the name would actually suggest.

--Also, I've got [url="http://"http://caalaklael.tripod.com/pfhor_fighter.jpg"]the fighter[/url] uploaded

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-Pallas Athene of Dysian Beta, Obish Consensus Representative
-Nieru Dast, {M}ilitia Aeriane
-Danae Vernius
"Cheaters don't really win, and winners don't really cheat. Unless you're talking politics." -Durandal

[This message has been edited by Pallas Athene (edited 01-14-2001).]

Suggested names of ships (If anyone has a problem with these, particularly the Nar or UESC, tell me. Dk indicates Darkk will fill it in.)

Pfhor
Fighter
Corvette
Destroyer
Battleship
Lochaber
Assault Carrier
Colonizer

UESC
Bomber
Cruiser
Frigate
Battlecruiser
Monitor
Troopship
Colony Ship MkII (The Marathon was a MkI)

S'pht'Kr
Defender
Sentry
Escort
Gunship
Warcruiser
Tranfership
Habilitator

Nar
Bartizan
Gendarme
Aegis
Citadel
Beleaguer
Hauler
Denizen

Nebulon
Rover
Weaver (Fast, maneuverable)
Scavenger
Devourer
Predator
Beaconship
Settler

Jjaro
Drone
Scalpal
Remover
Sterilizer
Dreadnaught
Drone Carrier
Habitat Ship

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-Pallas Athene of Dysian Beta, Obish Consensus Representative
-Nieru Dast, {M}ilitia Aeriane
-Danae Vernius
"Cheaters don't really win, and winners don't really cheat. Unless you're talking politics." -Durandal

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Jjaro
Drone
Scalpal
Remover
Sterilizer
Dreadnaught
Drone Carrier
Habitat Ship

Their transported troops should be attack drone and assault drone.

As for the Nebulons, I'm pretty sure they don't HAVE a navy anymore. The Nar enjoyed crushing them, indicating they were powerless to fight back, and the Pfhor slaughtered them outright (Tfear is standing on a Nebulon in the pic of him).

Oh, what color should Jjaro ships be? I'm using chrome for the moment, and I'm not sure it looks that good. Jjaro Dreadnaught should be done soon™.

Oh, as for the Nar ships, please handle them if you can, but remember that most of them are VERY large. As I said before, I'd say their shields (their ships are huge, and thus rather hard to destroy) should be much better than their guns.

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William Darkk, head of the Darkklight Entrepenurial Federation
"Strategic warfare" is code for "killing civilians", and it's my calling. Yeah, it's barbaric. War's supposed to be.

[This message has been edited by Fleet Admiral Darkk (edited 01-15-2001).]

Having talked in the past with the brains behind Marathon. and since I'm the unofficial project coordinator, I'm going to lay down the law here and spit out a few guidlenes:

1) MOST Pfhor ships are sleek, streamlined, and rounded. Exceptions come for engineering purposes, like for fitting weapons are compensating for maneuverability on the larger ships.

2a) Dreadnoughts are rare.

2b) The UESC does not have a dreadnought.

3) The Nar speak only in metaphors. Those ship names are good choices, but don't fit with the Nar and need to be changed.

4) The Nebulons are nomads.

5) The Jjaro are to be extremely rare, and only show their ships for fleeting moments.

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Throughout their history these "unenlightened" beings have continually opposed and fought abuses of power wrought by their own bretheren. We, as the prophets would do well to learn from these Humans.
-Final statement of the Salrilian reformist Sirthis shortly before his execution.

The Nebulons must have a fleet. If they didn't, why would the Nar still be waiting for the warrior with green pee to fly the battlewagons to victory against the Nebulons? There has to be somekind of fleet.

I suppose they don't fit, except the battlewagon, for obvious resons. I should change them. But I'd still like to keep the weapons I designed, just with different names (the weapons will be melee weapons, and I think I can get it right) Therefore, the Battlelance will be the Force Tendril, the Battleflail the Black Whirl. Those OK?

--Bartizan
--Gendarme
--Aegis
--Citadel
--Beleaguer
--Hauler
--Denizen
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--I consider this metaphor; the Nar displayed his creation and said:
--"I give you my citadel of the stars."

The first five ship classes are actually only different in terms of power; it only increases. In theory, the first five classes could all be decreased in power by a fifth, leaving the UESC "Dreadnought" at the same level of power as the Pfhor Battleship.

However, my Pfhor ship designs are based on a picture Bungie did. I think that at least the corvette design can be assumed to be correct. Then, other Pfhor ships should look similar to establish the similarity in ships.

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-Pallas Athene of Dysian Beta, Obish Consensus Representative
-Nieru Dast, {M}ilitia Aeriane
-Danae Vernius
"Cheaters don't really win, and winners don't really cheat. Unless you're talking politics." -Durandal

[This message has been edited by Pallas Athene (edited 01-14-2001).]

Pfhor fleet size: We know that Battle Group 7 represented about a tenth of the Pfhor naval size, as Durandal told us in M2. The Western Arm was made up of 7 Corvettes, 4 Destroyers, 1 Battleship and 1 Assault Carrier. Therefore, if Durandal was implying that this fleet was a tenth of the naval size, the Pfhor have a measly 130 combatant ships. However, PBGs are made up of multiple arms, so if there are three arms, West, Central, and East, they have around 390 ships, and if there are five, North, South, they have around 650. I would be inclined towards the latter, and this could be helpful to us in the storyline.

S'pht'Kr names:
Fighter - Defender
Corvette - Corvette
Destroyer - Escort
Battleship - Lar Gunship
Assault Carrier - K'lia Carrier
Dreadnought - Narhl Battleship
Colony Ship - Colony Ship

I've got some concepts for the appearances, but Strata's playing up, and I'm not doing too well with the modelling. Still, I'll get there soon. I've got a draft mission plot I'd like to present shortly, with a good 54 missions, total, not counting multiplayer. I'll have to see what you think.
Sincerely, Tycho. *snicker*

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Subcommander g'Var "8 Lightnings" Krai'un
Second in command of the Escort Starbeam.
"CRUISER DESTROYED. 91 remaining" -Ares, chapter 9, Hand Over Fist

[Durandal]
What, no tipped hat?
[/Durandal]
Me and Sargatanus are handling the plot for now, although input/missions would be welcome.

I've finished modeling the Jjaro Dreadnaught. If you frequent Marathon's Story, the origional guesses for TBWSAF apply here [hint, 2 of the words are swear words]. [url="http://"http://www.geocities.com/fadarkk/Dreadnaught01.jpg"]http://www.geocities...eadnaught01.jpg[/url]

As for Pfhor fleet size, I'm pretty sure he said ACTIVE in there. That's an important qualifier, they might have many ships in reserve, and given the size/glory of their empire, it's almost certain they have plenty of reserves.

What do you think of my little creation? I think it looks like some demented space-jellyfish, sorta the way I wanted it to.

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William Darkk, head of the Darkklight Entrepenurial Federation
"Strategic warfare" is code for "killing civilians", and it's my calling. Yeah, it's barbaric. War's supposed to be.

[This message has been edited by Fleet Admiral Darkk (edited 01-15-2001).]