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#26 User is offline   Joveia 

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Posted 06 January 2002 - 02:04 AM

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Originally posted by Punkster:

"Ever assuming your judgements are correct is an act of arrogance. You can't judge someone accurately unless you know everything about them, which may well include experience of their entire life up to that point. Only God, if he exists, and the next man (the person you're judging) can make a call like that."

The assumptions you made in saying so were
-assuming your judgements are correct is an act of arrogance
-only a deity or someone themselves can judge themselves


Notice the 'assuming'. I didn't 'assume' my judgements were correct, simply because, hey I'm myself, but because of logic, which when used properly, is inherently correct. You don't have to apply the 'anything is arrogance' argument, to anything. When people judge others, they don't use cold logic like 'that person just picked some food up, indicating possibly that he is going to eat' and then afterwards, 'that person just ate food, I was correct.' The basis for judging others is, as so you said, you do it automatically without logic. It's necessary for survival to judge someone (like their fighting skills back in cavemen days) and now this has grown to the point where people take it as fact. To cut a long story short - fact is not your instincts, nor is it the murky feelings you get when you see someone with shaved hair 'he's a tough guy'. Since it is not fact, it is wrong. Since it is wrong, it is an incorrect judgement and you shouldn't apply it in real life.

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Posted 06 January 2002 - 06:00 AM

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Originally posted by Joveia:
Notice the 'assuming'.  I didn't 'assume' my judgements were correct, simply because, hey I'm myself, but because of logic, which when used properly, is inherently correct.  You don't have to apply the 'anything is arrogance' argument, to anything.  When people judge others, they don't use cold logic like 'that person just picked some food up, indicating possibly that he is going to eat' and then afterwards, 'that person just ate food, I was correct.'  The basis for judging others is, as so you said, you do it automatically without logic.  It's necessary for survival to judge someone (like their fighting skills back in cavemen days) and now this has grown to the point where people take it as fact.  To cut a long story short - fact is not your instincts, nor is it the murky feelings you get when you see someone with shaved hair 'he's a tough guy'.  Since it is not fact, it is wrong.  Since it is wrong, it is an incorrect judgement and you shouldn't apply it in real life.



Okay, that seems to make sense...

I think where my disagreement came from in the first place is in here

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Ever assuming your judgements are correct is an act of arrogance. You can't judge someone accurately unless you know everything about them, which may well include experience of their entire life up to that point. Only God, if he exists, and the next man (the person you're judging) can make a call like that.


Let me point out the bit that I didn't understand due to the unfortunate and unclear choice of words:

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Ever assuming your judgements...


The "Ever" made me think that you were applying this logic to any situation rather than merely to situations involving the judging of people.

You might be interested also in the discussion on stereotypes and generalizations on the EV Banter & Brawl board, there are some interesting arguments raised there to do with judgements of people.

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Posted 06 January 2002 - 06:18 AM

I'm leaving after this post actually, see my topic in the briefing room.

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Posted 06 January 2002 - 07:55 AM

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Originally posted by Joveia:
I'm leaving after this post actually, see my topic in the briefing room.



Okay well, thanks for having this mini-debate with me. Posted Image

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Posted 06 January 2002 - 08:44 PM

The exicutioner. A judge doesn't decide a case in most situations, the vast majority of the jury does. And why would you become an exicutioner if you didn't like killing?

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Posted 07 January 2002 - 02:12 AM

An executioner is not guilty of murder unless he executes under an unjust order. Let's get this straight: There is a big difference between killing and murdering.

Sometimes, someone has to be killed. It's not pleasant. But if it has to be done, it should be done as swiftly and cleanly as possible. An executioner is someone who is willing to do that. Sure, some of them might be twisted, but the job itself is not.

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